Drug Free Racing

[Honu]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Does that mean you would support the status quo for racing ? The public has just heard of snake venom..what else is being used that the general public doesn't know about? Isn't Lasix a performance enhancing drug? Somemhow this industry has to come to grips with this problem because it isn't just going to disappear.

Lasix is given to reduce EIPE , so I guess not having the horse bleed while being asked for its life is performance enhancing , I personally think its health enhancing for the horse.
There is so much stuff that was used before people had access to information that it would blow your mind and this goes back to the days of limited testing , so if you think people can get away with stuff now how do you think it was back then.
I dont agree with what trainers do as far as injecting horses throats with mepevicane before a race because they have breathing problems ( alltho it does seem more humane than slitting their throats for a myectomy ) and I dont agree with blocking horses legs so they cant feel anything , but to be honest in my 13 years as a jockey I rode quit a few horses that were blocked and never had any breakdown including horses that were heal nerved.
But back to the point , everyone always brings up the fact that in Europe they dont use race day meds , but no one ever mentions that they do train on them , they just have to make sure they are clear by the time they run.
Have you ever seen a horse gush blood from its nostrils? Not a very pretty sight to see a horse in that much distress when it can be prevented by giving them a simple dieuretic.

[scanman]

I was at a track in Groenedaal, Belgium. A horse came back to the paddock after a race and had blood flowing from his nostrils like it was water out of a faucet. Definitely not a pretty sight.

Another case, I've been watching a lot of "jump" replays from a New Zealand website and one particular horse caught my attention. He had a number of wins and looks to be a very promising hurdler. After one race where he finished second, he was found to be a "bleeder" and was banned from racing for 3 months. How would you like to be an owner of a horse that could not run because he bled, when the use of Lasix could overcome this problem and allow the horse to continue to compete.

Lasix and bute have positive uses, provided they are administered properly.

[TheSpyder]

I'm for all drugs in racing...for the horse player. I figure it will help my odds of picking a winner and getting a good price.

Besides, a bourbon now and then helps me, really calms me down, and I did much better with it Wednesday on it watching Sumwonlovesme.

Spyder (B)

on Bourbon

[ELA]

I have spoken out for a complete overhaul of the rules, regulations, etc. that govern this sport and industry. I am 100% for uniform and universal medication rules and the same for penalties, fines and suspensions.

However, with that being said, you will never achieve absolute -- even if you model after countries and jurisdictions that have zero tolerance. Reason being, as said, there will always be someone who is trying to gain the competitive edge. It might be on "this side" of the line, but eventually, it's always going to graduate and progress to the "illegal" side of the line. Why? It's simple. Money! Purse money, gambling, per diem, barn stake, and so on -- everywhere . . . Money.

Great concept. Not practical or feasible, but great concept. A so called drug free race does not exist today. Card the race at Fantasy Land Downs. There are numerous drugs floating around today thay the governing bodies cannot test for, so there goes your drug free race.

Personally, I think much of what we've seen, read about, formed committee's on, discussed, etc -- is truly not the real issue. There is no leadership in addressing and dealing with this problem. States won't work together. The thoroughbred industry needs to look no further than NJ and Toronto in order to see the progress that has been made in "catching" the criminals. How to "catch" them is one thing. Punishing them is something completely different, and NJ hasn't done such a great job on this front.

There are labs, testing facilities, tests, etc. that are much more progressive than what we know about in our industry. Of course it becomes a question of money, however, money can be a very small hurdle when there is leadership. I've attended enough of these committee and industry meetings to see that the sport and industry needs to "lead, follow or get out of the way"

Eric

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There is drug-free professional wrestling!

After all, I was watching Court TV the other day (God only knows why!) and someone on there claimed the WWF uses drug tests that are tougher than olympic athletes are subjected to.

I think they said that after they read off a list of 100 wrestlers who died young or fairly young.

I know a bodybuilder who's really fond of using horse drugs like Winstrol, Equipoise, and Clembuteral. He's almost always in a sour mood.

I've rarely ever been more miserable than I was the day and a half after I took lasix.

All goofiness aside, it would be fantastic to see horses run on just hay, oats, and water. It could also very possibly have a positive impact on the breed. As the horses who need medication to produce their good form would possibly be weeded out of the pedigree.

But like ELA said, that's all a fantasy.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There is drug-free professional wrestling!

After all, I was watching Court TV the other day (God only knows why!) and someone on there claimed the WWF uses drug tests that are tougher than olympic athletes are subjected to.

I think they said that after they read off a list of 100 wrestlers who died young or fairly young.

I know a bodybuilder who's really fond of using horse drugs like Winstrol, Equipoise, and Clembuteral. He's almost always in a sour mood.

I've rarely ever been more miserable than I was the day and a half after I took lasix.

All goofiness aside, it would be fantastic to see horses run on just hay, oats, and water. It could also very possibly have a positive impact on the breed. As the horses who need medication to produce their good form would possibly be weeded out of the pedigree.

But like ELA said, that's all a fantasy.

Clenbuteral.

[GPK]

is there an echo in here?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There is drug-free professional wrestling!

After all, I was watching Court TV the other day (God only knows why!) and someone on there claimed the WWF uses drug tests that are tougher than olympic athletes are subjected to.

I think they said that after they read off a list of 100 wrestlers who died young or fairly young.

I know a bodybuilder who's really fond of using horse drugs like Winstrol, Equipoise, and Clembuteral. He's almost always in a sour mood.

I've rarely ever been more miserable than I was the day and a half after I took lasix.

All goofiness aside, it would be fantastic to see horses run on just hay, oats, and water. It could also very possibly have a positive impact on the breed. As the horses who need medication to produce their good form would possibly be weeded out of the pedigree.

But like ELA said, that's all a fantasy.

Can you give me the orgin of the word....and use it in a sentence as well?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GPK

Can you give me the orgin of the word....and use it in a sentence as well?

No and No.

On BodyBuilding.Com they have a few gems about this drug in its profile.

* "Clenbuterol is a very widely used drug and has quite a reputation. A good one among athletes and recreational users, and a very bad one among those people who know very little about illegal performance enhancing aids."

* "Just to demonstrate the wide use of this drug and its immense popularity among athletes, observe the US Olympic team. Exercise-induced asthma is an affliction that generally occurs in 3-7% of the population, and is in some rare cases treated with clenbuterol. In 2000, 60% of US Olympic athletes claimed to have exercise-induced asthma and ALL of them were prescribed clenbuterol for this condition. An otherwise illegal drug, tolerated solely for this reason. And this while the Romanian gymnast Andrea Raducan was stripped of her gold medal for the 25 µg of norephedrine in her cold medicine she was taking."

Athletes are getting to be as shady as bodybuilders and pro wrestlers. I'm sure more than half of our Olympians really do have asthma. But hey, it would be highly cruel for us to let them try and perform without having that drug to fight off their imaginary afflictions.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There is drug-free professional wrestling!


But like ELA said, that's all a fantasy.

Can't say I can totally disagree with you, Honu, Cannon, ELA and others..

But I remember a lot of people saying that poly/cushion was a fantasy.

I hope everyone keeps the pressure on so things can get cleaned up in a timely manor.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Can't say I can totally disagree with you, Honu, Cannon, ELA and others..

But I remember a lot of people saying that poly/cushion was a fantasy.

I hope everyone keeps the pressure on so things can get cleaned up in a timely manor.

You are right, and I agree with you. As soon as "they" stop talking about the problem and starting doing, solving the problem. We also need a "they" to step up and take the lead.

Eric