Graded Stakes a joke

[JJP]

The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by JJP

The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

I agree, I don't know how that race is still a Grade I.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by JJP

The Prioress has been arguably the weakest Grade 1 in North America the past 4 years and had one runner who warranted being in a Grade 1 this year. And they still don't downgrade this should-be Grade 3.

I strongly disagree! Most of those grade 1's that Lava Man ran in were some of the weakest I've ever seen.If any races need to be downgraded,it should be some of those.

[JJP]

At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

The Breeders Cup has ruined the sport. There's simply not enough quality horses running year round. They're always fukin' training, though. Heaven forbid they're entered in a race because it's risky. Horse could spontaneously combust.

In a game that involves such high levels of risk, there sure are alot of pussies owning and training horses.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by JJP

At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

So Xtra Heat was no good??

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

So Xtra Heat was no good??

How many years ago was that? Yeah, and Safely Kept and Ruffian were great as well.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by JJP

At least those horses could run triple digit Beyers. In the past four years, Dream Rush may be the only filly to have entered the Prioress with a triple digit Beyer on her resume. There is NO need for a Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies/mares because if a 3YO filly is any good, they are routing.

BTW, the Test was lousy last year. An Illinois bred who was off the board in the Illy bred stake in her last was a neck away from stealing that race last year.

Is there a worse Grade 1 winner than Acey Deucey?

I think that's really erroneous. There are plenty of great filly and mare sprinters. I think the Prioress just sucks, and it didn't help that it was the same weekend as the Princess Rooney this year, either.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think that's really erroneous. There are plenty of great filly and mare sprinters. I think the Prioress just sucks, and it didn't help that it was the same weekend as the Princess Rooney this year, either.

Princess Rooney's for older f&m's, Prioress for straight 3's (still sucks, however)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

Princess Rooney's for older f&m's, Prioress for straight 3's (still sucks, however)

You're right, my mistake. In that case, it's pretty stupid to have a G-I sprint for three-year-old fillies in July when the Test is less than a month away..

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right, my mistake. In that case, it's pretty stupid to have a G-I sprint for three-year-old fillies in July when the Test is less than a month away..

That's a little bit of a surprising statement. Why wouldn't a horse be able to run in both? For all of this talk it is probably worth recognizing that Dream Rush has run three times at Belmont and as far as I know is heading to the Test. At least they're getting their money's worth on the track with her. I hope she wins the Test.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

I strongly disagree! Most of those grade 1's that Lava Man ran in were some of the weakest I've ever seen.If any races need to be downgraded,it should be some of those.

yawn, here you go again

you mean like the pacific classic race of 05' that sucked so bad. it only had surf cat and borrego, yes the borrego that walked in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in New York.

[10 pnt move up]

Isnt the problem with the Prioress is its too close to the classic filly races so the ones that should be cut back to sprints are still routing, and that the Test seems to be the race where trainers concede they are not routers?

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yawn, here you go again

you mean like the pacific classic race of 05' that sucked so bad. it only had surf cat and borrego, yes the borrego that walked in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in New York.

If you look at some of the competition in some of those races it wasn't all that tough and most people on this board will agree with me.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yawn, here you go again

you mean like the pacific classic race of 05' that sucked so bad. it only had surf cat and borrego

You forgot the 3rd Place finisher who led most of the way and had a 112 Beyer in defeat who also now has 7 Grade 1 wins - despite the merchants of venom on this thread.