Wimbledon

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Check out Borg on clay Scuds. You are forgetting or never saw.

[ArlJim78]

to me Nadal is the best I've ever seen on clay, and Roger is the best grass player for sure and also best overall player I have ever seen.

I'll go with Borg on both grass and clay surfaces, but Federer overall.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I'll go with Borg on both grass and clay surfaces, but Federer overall.

so how do you take him over Federer on 2 of 3 major surfaces but say Federer is a better player?

Originally Posted by Samarta

so how do you take him over Federer on 2 of 3 major surfaces but say Federer is a better player?

What surface are most tournaments played on?
Answer: Hard Courts.

What surface did Borg NEVER win a major championship on?
Answer: Hard Courts.

And there you have it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Check out Borg on clay Scuds. You are forgetting or never saw.

That guy was boring as watching eggs boil.Nobody has been better on clay than Nadal.He has won 3 French Opens in a row,and if he doesn't get injured,I think he could win even 6 or 7 in a row there.He is too good.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That guy was boring as watching eggs boil.Nobody has been better on clay than Nadal.He has won 3 French Opens in a row,and if he doesn't get injured,I think he could win even 6 or 7 in a row there.He is too good.

Borg won 5. Four in a row. When tennis was in its prime, the late 70's. Everyone played, a much larger % of people participated in tennis.

Borg was boring? You have got to be kidding...

Oh the fist pumping and the Ladies Capri shorts... I get it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Borg won 5. Four in a row. When tennis was in its prime, the late 70's. Everyone played, a much larger % of people participated in tennis.

Borg was boring? You have got to be kidding...

Oh the fist pumping and the Ladies Capri shorts... I get it.

This is the prime (as far as I am concerned.) These 2 right here,right now ....this is the best it gets.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is the prime (as far as I am concerned.) These 2 right here,right now ....this is the best it gets.

It really would be interesting to see what McEnroe and Borg could do with the rackets they have today. The ball just flies off of them. My first racket was a wood Jack Kramer. You had to hit it right in the middle. And if your strings were not gut you were at a severe disadvantage. The new rackets are much easier to control, much, much lighter, and my serve would have been very big for a short guy. You can get away with horrible mishits.

Roscoe Tanner seriously might have hit the hardest serves of all time with the rackets today.

Really the technology has changed the game so much. You could never hit a forehand over the net using a grip like they use today with the old rackets. I think Borg and a few other guys had a grip somewhat like they use today. But the game is really not the same because the ball is moving so much faster and its so much easier to hit hard with control.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It really would be interesting to see what McEnroe and Borg could do with the rackets they have today. The ball just flies off of them. My first racket was a wood Jack Kramer. You had to hit it right in the middle. And if your strings were not gut you were at a severe disadvantage. The new rackets are much easier to control, much, much lighter, and my serve would have been very big for a short guy. You can get away with horrible mishits.

Roscoe Tanner seriously might have hit the hardest serves of all time with the rackets today.

Really the technology has changed the game so much. You could never hit a forehand over the net using a grip like they use today with the old rackets. I think Borg and a few other guys had a grip somewhat like they use today. But the game is really not the same because the ball is moving so much faster and its so much easier to hit hard with control.

They actually did a side by side shot of Borg/Federer's forehands and the motion was almost identical.....I saw most of the greats from the 70's and 80's play in person several times and I personally thought McEnroe was the most talented...he had the best hands of anyone that has ever played period....the guy was a magician at the net.....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Samarta

They actually did a side by side shot of Borg/Federer's forehands and the motion was almost identical.....I saw most of the greats from the 70's and 80's play in person several times and I personally thought McEnroe was the most talented...he had the best hands of anyone that has ever played period....the guy was a magician at the net.....

and he is a great announcer

Originally Posted by Samarta

They actually did a side by side shot of Borg/Federer's forehands and the motion was almost identical.....I saw most of the greats from the 70's and 80's play in person several times and I personally thought McEnroe was the most talented...he had the best hands of anyone that has ever played period....the guy was a magician at the net.....

Motion maybe the same... But the forehand grips of today would have been ridiculed in the mid 70's early 80's. And the technology of the racket has changed tennis. Thats why comparisons are difficult.

McEnroe was a magician with the racket. Best Volley ever. Best half volley by far... I have never seen anything like some of the stuff he did. But Borg was better imo... much, much faster. Borg ran down anything and everything.

And I actually played Steve Denton (two time Australian Open finalist) and got thoroughly crushed in some sectional tournaments in Texas. (The guy had a huge serve and was older) And I have been to the US Open and seen McEnroe play... Connors. So I have a tiny bit of credibility even though I hate the game with a passion (to play), would much rather shoot hoops.