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[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok I will admit that I dont really know much about tennis except what I hear John McEnroe say but how can you say that #1 Nadal is not as talented as Federer and #2 Nadal is mentally tougher and always believes he can win when Federer almost always does?

Nadal looks to me to be as good as athlete as any tennis player I ever saw. The guy covers more court than anyone.

One thing that is always interesting when you get into competitive tennis is the tennis player vs athlete.....Federer is the better tennis player, but Nadal is the better athlete...I don't agree that Nadal is mentally tougher though...Federer isn't able to throw it into that gear that noone has just because he has it, he can do it cuz he is tougher than everyone else....

Originally Posted by Samarta

One thing that is always interesting when you get into competitive tennis is the tennis player vs athlete.....Federer is the better tennis player, but Nadal is the better athlete...I don't agree that Nadal is mentally tougher though...Federer isn't able to throw it into that gear that noone has just because he has it, he can do it cuz he is tougher than everyone else....

Federer folded up tent against Nadal in the French this year. I saw it. I did not like it. He went down a step with that lack of will. He can beat Nadal on clay, he just does not think he can... at Rolan Garros anyway.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Federer folded up tent against Nadal in the French this year. I saw it. I did not like it. He went down a step with that lack of will. He can beat Nadal on clay, he just does not think he can... at Rolan Garros anyway.

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Who brought Nadal's clay winning streak to a close Scuds?
Federer can beat him on any surface because he is a better player.
But Nadal has the mental toughness edge, my take.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Who brought Nadal's clay winning streak to a close Scuds?
Federer can beat him on any surface because he is a better player.
But Nadal has the mental toughness edge, my take.

Federer beat him in Hamburg....yes it's clay, but it's as close to hard courts without being on one as you'll ever find....just because it says clay doesn't mean it's Roland Garros. Can he beat him on clay? sure...Is Nadal in his head? absolutely.....will he ever win the French......I say he's got one maybe two more legit shots....

Originally Posted by Samarta

Federer beat him in Hamburg....yes it's clay, but it's as close to hard courts without being on one as you'll ever find....just because it says clay doesn't mean it's Roland Garros. Can he beat him on clay? sure...Is Nadal in his head? absolutely.....will he ever win the French......I say he's got one maybe two more legit shots....

Agree in totality.

Nadal is definitely a great clay court player but I wouldn't call him the best just yet...just like I won't say Federer is the best grass player.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the last 3 years (on Espn and on this site too) people been so sure Federer can beat him at the French.I have no idea why they think this.He is giving his best each year at that place,and this man is (at that tournament) superior.Nadal is the best clay player ever,and people refuse to give him credit for that.You obviously don't respect him yet,or you wouldn't keep saying he is gunna get beat by Federer there.There is no evidence whatsoever that Federer can beat him at Roland Garros.The only chance is if Nadal gets injured(which is always a decent possiblity,,i.e. 2004)

Check out Borg on clay Scuds. You are forgetting or never saw.

[ArlJim78]

to me Nadal is the best I've ever seen on clay, and Roger is the best grass player for sure and also best overall player I have ever seen.

I'll go with Borg on both grass and clay surfaces, but Federer overall.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I'll go with Borg on both grass and clay surfaces, but Federer overall.

so how do you take him over Federer on 2 of 3 major surfaces but say Federer is a better player?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Check out Borg on clay Scuds. You are forgetting or never saw.

That guy was boring as watching eggs boil.Nobody has been better on clay than Nadal.He has won 3 French Opens in a row,and if he doesn't get injured,I think he could win even 6 or 7 in a row there.He is too good.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That guy was boring as watching eggs boil.Nobody has been better on clay than Nadal.He has won 3 French Opens in a row,and if he doesn't get injured,I think he could win even 6 or 7 in a row there.He is too good.

Borg won 5. Four in a row. When tennis was in its prime, the late 70's. Everyone played, a much larger % of people participated in tennis.

Borg was boring? You have got to be kidding...

Oh the fist pumping and the Ladies Capri shorts... I get it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Borg won 5. Four in a row. When tennis was in its prime, the late 70's. Everyone played, a much larger % of people participated in tennis.

Borg was boring? You have got to be kidding...

Oh the fist pumping and the Ladies Capri shorts... I get it.

This is the prime (as far as I am concerned.) These 2 right here,right now ....this is the best it gets.