Bonds voted to All Star team

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Ferdinand

I'm not exactly sure what you mean but Cobb only missed hitting .300 his rookie year and he played in the dead ball era with misshappen baseball covered with spit and substances. He also sounds like the single most exciting player to watch ever in baseball.

The fact he was the very first into the basball hall of fame, even with more votes then Ruth, should say something.

Cobb while was great player (probably in the top 5 all time)he was nowhere near as dominant as Babe. As a matter of fact Tris Speaker's numbers while not quite as good as Cobbs were in the same ballpark with him

Cobb's averages over 24 seasons
120 runs 224 hits 39 2bs 16 3bs 6 hrs 103 rbis 48 sbs .366avg .433 obp .512 slg

Tris Speakers averages over 22 seasons in the same era
109 runs 204 hits 46 2bs 13 3bs 7hrs 90 rbis 25 sbs .345avg .428 obp .500 slg


While Cobb has the better numbers he isn't that far superior to Speaker who was also known as the best fielding outfielder of the turn of the century players.

[Ferdinand]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cobb while was great player (probably in the top 5 all time)he was nowhere near as dominant as Babe. As a matter of fact Tris Speaker's numbers while not quite as good as Cobbs were in the same ballpark with him

Cobb's averages over 24 seasons
120 runs 224 hits 39 2bs 16 3bs 6 hrs 103 rbis 48 sbs .366avg .433 obp .512 slg

Tris Speakers averages over 22 seasons in the same era
109 runs 204 hits 46 2bs 13 3bs 7hrs 90 rbis 25 sbs .345avg .428 obp .500 slg


While Cobb has the better numbers he isn't that far superior to Speaker who was also known as the best fielding outfielder of the turn of the century players.

While I have no problem admitting Speaker as being one of the very best at the time, I really think what Cobb did went beyond numbers. How could Tris bunt compared to Cobb? Cobb ruled the bases and forced countless errors on his opponents part.

I just don't see where the Babe was so much more dominant beside the case of smashing homeruns and that was mostly just coming out of the dead-ball era. Rogers Hornsby or Lou Gehrig or George Sisler or were no slouches themselves.

Do you know the amount of stat records they both held at their retirements?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Ferdinand

While I have no problem admitting Speaker as being one of the very best at the time, I really think what Cobb did went beyond numbers. How could Tris bunt compared to Cobb? Cobb ruled the bases and forced countless errors on his opponents part.
I just don't see where the Babe was so much more dominant beside the case of smashing homeruns and that was mostly just coming out of the dead-ball era. Rogers Hornsby or Lou Gehrig or George Sisler or were no slouches themselves.

Do you know the amount of stat records they both held at their retirements?

Not breaking your chops but how would you possibly know any of this?

You do understand that hitting home runs is a much more valuble skill than bunting or stealing bases. When you hit home runs you just trot around the bases and it does not matter what your opponents do.

And it seemed that Ruth was the only one coming out of the deadball era when he became a full time outfielder being that he was hitting more HR's than teams and breaking rbi, runs scored, OBP, SLG records

[Ferdinand]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not breaking your chops but how would you possibly know any of this?

You do understand that hitting home runs is a much more valuble skill than bunting or stealing bases. When you hit home runs you just trot around the bases and it does not matter what your opponents do.

And it seemed that Ruth was the only one coming out of the deadball era when he became a full time outfielder being that he was hitting more HR's than teams and breaking rbi, runs scored, OBP, SLG records

Sorry, if you were witness to The Babe, I'll bow to your knowledge.

Yeah, that's why it's so cheap. Bulk up and power your way through. Cobb had power but prefered to play with his head. He also hit 5 homeruns in two days when he decided to actually go for homeruns and that cannot be disputed. Perhaps homeruns are the ultimate play but too me they will always be cheap. A homerun in one park, a fly ball in another.

I will definately admit his 1921 season was one for the ages. I do wonder if his skill as a Red Sox player bashing hr's was somewhat responsible for a change in baseballs that took the game out of the deadball era into a lively ball era which it became.