4th of July Beyers

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by philcski

Personally I think this is a strong crop, relative to what we've had lately. Any Given Saturday may not want more than a mile and a sixteenth, but he's a quality, talented horse, yet maybe only 5th in the division overall, which says a lot.

Also, nobody's mentioned that Idiot Proof broke the track record at Monmouth yesterday in a stunningly good performance. This isn't an odd-distance record, it's 6F at Monmouth which they've probably run 15,000 times since Gilded Time set it in 1992. Obviously the track was fast yesterday but he ran .84 seconds faster than the very quick NJ bred Joey P (who holds the track record at Mth at 5.5F.)

That was an awesome performance by Idiot Proof.

[LARHAGE]

I think Pletcher completely mismanaged Any Given Saturday this year, I know, the great Pletcher doesn;t make mistakes, but thinking back after this horses gut-wrenching race against Street Sense he runs in the Wood Memorial, a race he originally hadn't planned on running him in, the horse ran like a short,tired horse than goes on to the grueling Derby where he actually had a pretty decent run finishing 8th. I think we saw that he is a nice horse when he is rested and primed for his races. Having said that however, he didn't have to beat much yesterday as Nobiz is nothing but a plodding, no heart plug. I'm sick of all his excuses, it's always something, the only consistency this horse has shown is he is consistently slow, and he needs the stars alligned just right to run a decent race. I'm done with him. Sightseeing is another should, coulda, woulda, although what was Edgar trying to do on the backstretch blasting through AGS and the pace setter, Gomez slammed the door on him and that was it for Sightseeing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I think Pletcher completely mismanaged Any Given Saturday this year, I know, the great Pletcher doesn;t make mistakes, but thinking back after this horses gut-wrenching race against Street Sense he runs in the Wood Memorial, a race he originally hadn't planned on running him in, the horse ran like a short,tired horse than goes on to the grueling Derby where he actually had a pretty decent run finishing 8th. I think we saw that he is a nice horse when he is rested and primed for his races. Having said that however, he didn't have to beat much yesterday as Nobiz is nothing but a plodding, no heart plug. I'm sick of all his excuses, it's always something, the only consistency this horse has shown is he is consistently slow, and he needs the stars alligned just right to run a decent race. I'm done with him. Sightseeing is another should, coulda, woulda, although what was Edgar trying to do on the backstretch blasting through AGS and the pace setter, Gomez slammed the door on him and that was it for Sightseeing.

but why is it ok to make excuses for any given saturday? that is what you're doing.

nobiz beat ags, and now ags beat him back. pletcher may have rushed Saturday into the wood, he said that it would however give AGS an extra week between his last race and the derby, so i don't know that it was necessarily a mistake. had he done differently, and AGS not run in the top three in the bluegrass, he'd have missed the derby altogether.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but why is it ok to make excuses for any given saturday? that is what you're doing.

nobiz beat ags, and now ags beat him back. pletcher may have rushed Saturday into the wood, he said that it would however give AGS an extra week between his last race and the derby, so i don't know that it was necessarily a mistake. had he done differently, and AGS not run in the top three in the bluegrass, he'd have missed the derby altogether.

AGS also had a horrendous trip in the Wood.. I don't think it's very debatable who the better horse is right now.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

AGS also had a horrendous trip in the Wood.. I don't think it's very debatable who the better horse is right now.

yes he did. and i think the jock knew better than to get after him to try to improve his position in that race, as a third was all he needed in earnings. mission accomplished in that regard, altho he didn't get the derby win. but then, only one horse can win! not like the other 19 are suddenly nags...

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Nobiz is nothing but a plodding, no heart plug. I'm sick of all his excuses, it's always something, the only consistency this horse has shown is he is consistently slow, and he needs the stars alligned just right to run a decent race. I'm done with him.

I think you are spot-on here. This horse wasn't good enough to handle Scat Daddy (we know how good he is), and each and every start comes with an excuse. This time it's the fact he was off the pace. I think he's exposed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll be wrong with my money each and every time.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I think you are spot-on here. This horse wasn't good enough to handle Scat Daddy (we know how good he is), and each and every start comes with an excuse. This time it's the fact he was off the pace. I think he's exposed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll be wrong with my money each and every time.

yeah, he exposes the same performance in every race. He's a big onepaced horse who is going to run a mid nineties beyer every time. As the rest of the crop develops and moves forward he is being left behind.