Is this the best we have?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Danzig

he's doing ok, bored to tears. but everything is looking good. 20 one and a quarter inch screws in his heel. he just has to wait for time to go by now. everyone else is doing great. thanks for asking! hope you are all well.

funny tho that someone brought up saint liam--he didn't ship west too well, and had excuses. so why is that ok to excuse an eastern horse failing, but not a western horse when they ship?
someone is bound to step up--question is 'who?'

as an aside, regarding wilko--what is his value now, since he's about 0-18 since the bcj? they talk about a horse winning a big one, so you can't afford to run him at four (street sense for instance) so what about wilko? wonder what his insured value is now...

Because that horse shipped to several other states and did just fine except for that one time. I think anyone would agree that Saint Liam was a very good horse and threw up some remarkable races in the Woodward and Whitney, but he wasn't exactly an all-time great who was going to bring that sort of game on every race day.

Personally I'm not about to be blown over by a horse who probably is the best we have running right now but would probably get his butt handed to him by a horse like Flashy Bull in the biggest race of the year if Lava even showed up.

[Danzig]

not asking anyone to be bowled over, just don't hold him to a higher standard than any other horses.
i just find it amazing that he wins, and gets knocked--where's the criticisms for corinthian?? hell, he stayed east and finished last!

lava man has lost once in cali in two years, it's an amazing stretch. an admitted stall racer, they probably shouldn't have shipped him the times that he did, it obviously puts him out of his game. kudos to them for trying imo. at least they tried.
i just think it's a shame that a horse who has accomplished so much can't get a break from fans. again, give him his due for what he's done, not what he hasn't.
he's now a graded winner on three surfaces. only the second ever three-peater in the history of the gold cup.

[Jax Cajun]

I disagree that this year is a downer. Corinthian was overdue to bounce and he will be back stronger. Flashy Bull has been looking good as well. Don't forget about Sun King...okay well maybe that's a stretch.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Jax Cajun

I disagree that this year is a downer. Corinthian was overdue to bounce and he will be back stronger. Flashy Bull has been looking good as well. Don't forget about Sun King...okay well maybe that's a stretch.

I don't think the 3 year olds have been a downer, but where is the depth in the older male division?

Re - Lava Man; I think it's great that he draws the crowds he does when he runs and that his career has lasted so long. It's a refreshing change from the Smarty Jones' et al of the world which seems to be what racing is now going to be about. Win big and goodbye...

Those who got to experience racing before the late 90's were truly lucky.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I don't think the 3 year olds have been a downer, but where is the depth in the older male division?

Re - Lava Man; I think it's great that he draws the crowds he does when he runs and that his career has lasted so long. It's a refreshing change from the Smarty Jones' et al of the world which seems to be what racing is now going to be about. Win big and goodbye...

Those who got to experience racing before the late 90's were truly lucky.

Depth? Where is the surface?

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by Jax Cajun

I disagree that this year is a downer. Corinthian was overdue to bounce and he will be back stronger. Flashy Bull has been looking good as well. Don't forget about Sun King...okay well maybe that's a stretch.

You just named three horses who will contest the Breeder's Cup Mile and 70 yards race. None will be in the Classic. Neither will Lava Man. I can't remember a weaker crop of older horses.

Paul

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Jax Cajun

I disagree that this year is a downer. Corinthian was overdue to bounce and he will be back stronger. Flashy Bull has been looking good as well. Don't forget about Sun King...okay well maybe that's a stretch.

overdue to bounce?

he bounced yesterday? Or how about in the face of a legit grade 1 pace and distance probably farther then his best he folded.