Who owns California?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He simply doesn't fire at all in those out of state races.It's not the quality of horses that gets him beat.It's either the surface or he likes the warm days/cool nights that we pretty much get year round in L.A. If it was the quality of horses,then they would come face him here(they don't.)Even though Monmouth may be more like what he likes, I wouldn't go. For whatever reason,he just doesn't fire out of SOCAL.

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

[ArlJim78]

I guess if I'm Mike Mitchell I would now be pointing Big Booster to the Breeders Cup Classic. Sun Boat too for that matter. These are some of the top handicap horses in SoCal.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

exactly, so why is it such a bone of contention on lava mans end?? so many want HIM to ship, while seeing no need whatsoever for the 'other side' to do the same.

think back everyone to the last time the bc was held in cali. refresh my memory how the 'east coasters' did that day.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Danzig

exactly, so why is it such a bone of contention on lava mans end?? so many want HIM to ship, while seeing no need whatsoever for the 'other side' to do the same.

think back everyone to the last time the bc was held in cali. refresh my memory how the 'east coasters' did that day.

exactly, why ship for same money against tougher if you dont need to. Stay home, keep racking up wins and money. He cant be used @ stud, good for racing only.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

exactly, why ship for same money against tougher if you dont need to. Stay home, keep racking up wins and money. He cant be used @ stud, good for racing only.

that's right.

it's all part of the east coast bias, east being considered 'better' than west. but then, many in the east try to include ky--altho it's not east coast, it's central.

if east doesn't have to ship, then why the automatic knock on lava man? why is it felt he must? why is it ok for an east to ship west and lose, but not vice versa?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's right.

it's all part of the east coast bias, east being considered 'better' than west. but then, many in the east try to include ky--altho it's not east coast, it's central.

if east doesn't have to ship, then why the automatic knock on lava man? why is it felt he must? why is it ok for an east to ship west and lose, but not vice versa?

the point I have made over the years, a complete double standard. Its not easy shipping.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

And why ship all the way to suckcal,oops,SOCAL when all you gotta do is jump in a van and go up and down the east coast.

[Norfolk]

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[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

And why ship all the way to suckcal,oops,SOCAL when all you gotta do is jump in a van and go up and down the east coast.

your a troll, and are making completely hypocritical arguments, you knock the horse for not shipping and winning and then saying its irrelevant for east coast horses because its good money and races on the east coast. I hate to break it to you but they ran for 750k yesterday.

Are you this dense, please tell me you are just a troll?

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your a troll, and are making completely hypocritical arguments, you knock the horse for not shipping and winning and then saying its irrelevant for east coast horses because its good money and races on the east coast. I hate to break it to you but they ran for 750k yesterday.

Are you this dense, please tell me you are just a troll?

Not trolling at all.East coast AND midwest horses ship all over and win all the time.SoCal horses leave the confines of California and lose.All the time.Just look at the derby this year.I Knock the horse because you all act like he is the second coming of Secretariat.He is not!!!! He wins because SoCal racing is SUB PAR!!!!! I would keep him there and win all the time if he was mine,If people are that stupid to give away that kind of money to crap horses,I would stay and clean up too.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Not trolling at all.East coast AND midwest horses ship all over and win all the time.SoCal horses leave the confines of California and lose.All the time.Just look at the derby this year.I Knock the horse because you all act like he is the second coming of Secretariat.He is not!!!! He wins because SoCal racing is SUB PAR!!!!! I would keep him there and win all the time if he was mine,If people are that stupid to give away that kind of money to crap horses,I would stay and clean up too.

you mean like the horse who won the santa anita oaks and las virgenes winning the Oaks and Belmont....bad racing we know.

[Left Bank]

Give it up dude.You won't ever convince me.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Give it up dude.You won't ever convince me.

I think a rock could fall out of the sky and you would dispute the Laws of Gravity.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Give it up dude.You won't ever convince me.

You are right about this. To you, the facts do not matter at all. No matter what happens, or what anybody says, you will continue to believe what you believe. Congratulations.
I'm no big fan of Lava Man, and I could care less about the current state of racing in SoCal. But you are so caught up in your hatred for the racing there that you seem to be consumed by it. A poster makes a fair comment about a horse that had raced in SoCal and went on to do nice things in Kentucky and New York, and your response is "Give it up dude." How clever.