Who owns California?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

it not about the surface, you said its so strange that he doesn't win when he ships, i'm just saying I don't think its strange at all. whenever they ship him they run him in much tougher races. i would think that would be obvious to you!

He simply doesn't fire at all in those out of state races.It's not the quality of horses that gets him beat.It's either the surface or he likes the warm days/cool nights that we pretty much get year round in L.A. If it was the quality of horses,then they would come face him here(they don't.)Even though Monmouth may be more like what he likes, I wouldn't go. For whatever reason,he just doesn't fire out of SOCAL.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He simply doesn't fire at all in those out of state races.It's not the quality of horses that gets him beat.It's either the surface or he likes the warm days/cool nights that we pretty much get year round in L.A. If it was the quality of horses,then they would come face him here(they don't.)Even though Monmouth may be more like what he likes, I wouldn't go. For whatever reason,he just doesn't fire out of SOCAL.

Bailey was saying that Monmouth might indeed be more to his liking but I agree...he can wait for the BC to come to him. Still, since it doesn't appear to be the surface that gets him, you'd think some creative thinking might be in order...maybe van him in segments or go very early so he can acclimate...I don't know, something might work.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Bailey was saying that Monmouth might indeed be more to his liking but I agree...he can wait for the BC to come to him. Still, since it doesn't appear to be the surface that gets him, you'd think some creative thinking might be in order...maybe van him in segments or go very early so he can acclimate...I don't know, something might work.

A replica of his stall? They've certainly got the cash to do it.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

A replica of his stall? They've certainly got the cash to do it.

Frankly, I'd try anything...one grade one win outside Cal and this horse would finally get the respect he deserves!

[theiman]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Frankly, I'd try anything...one grade one win outside Cal and this horse would finally get the respect he deserves!

Thats a great quote from someone back east.

Out west he gets all of the respect he deserves. We have artificial surfaces out west now. Purses are great and so is the weather. Lets see some of those top back east horses find an excuse to not ship out west now.

Horse is game and gutty and a champ.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by theiman

Thats a great quote from someone back east.

Out west he gets all of the respect he deserves. We have artificial surfaces out west now. Purses are great and so is the weather. Lets see some of those top back east horses find an excuse to not ship out west now.

Horse is game and gutty and a champ.

In Cali, that may be the case. Ship him and he's a whole different animal. I can't really knock him because he does get the job done over there.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Bailey was saying that Monmouth might indeed be more to his liking but I agree...he can wait for the BC to come to him. Still, since it doesn't appear to be the surface that gets him, you'd think some creative thinking might be in order...maybe van him in segments or go very early so he can acclimate...I don't know, something might work.

They shipped him to Keeneland 3 weeks early for the Breeder's Cup and this was allegedly what he really needed - guess not.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He simply doesn't fire at all in those out of state races.It's not the quality of horses that gets him beat.It's either the surface or he likes the warm days/cool nights that we pretty much get year round in L.A. If it was the quality of horses,then they would come face him here(they don't.)Even though Monmouth may be more like what he likes, I wouldn't go. For whatever reason,he just doesn't fire out of SOCAL.

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

[ArlJim78]

I guess if I'm Mike Mitchell I would now be pointing Big Booster to the Breeders Cup Classic. Sun Boat too for that matter. These are some of the top handicap horses in SoCal.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

exactly, so why is it such a bone of contention on lava mans end?? so many want HIM to ship, while seeing no need whatsoever for the 'other side' to do the same.

think back everyone to the last time the bc was held in cali. refresh my memory how the 'east coasters' did that day.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Danzig

exactly, so why is it such a bone of contention on lava mans end?? so many want HIM to ship, while seeing no need whatsoever for the 'other side' to do the same.

think back everyone to the last time the bc was held in cali. refresh my memory how the 'east coasters' did that day.

exactly, why ship for same money against tougher if you dont need to. Stay home, keep racking up wins and money. He cant be used @ stud, good for racing only.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

exactly, why ship for same money against tougher if you dont need to. Stay home, keep racking up wins and money. He cant be used @ stud, good for racing only.

that's right.

it's all part of the east coast bias, east being considered 'better' than west. but then, many in the east try to include ky--altho it's not east coast, it's central.

if east doesn't have to ship, then why the automatic knock on lava man? why is it felt he must? why is it ok for an east to ship west and lose, but not vice versa?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's right.

it's all part of the east coast bias, east being considered 'better' than west. but then, many in the east try to include ky--altho it's not east coast, it's central.

if east doesn't have to ship, then why the automatic knock on lava man? why is it felt he must? why is it ok for an east to ship west and lose, but not vice versa?

the point I have made over the years, a complete double standard. Its not easy shipping.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this is the biggest flasehood in my view, the idea that they would come face him. No they wouldn't anymore than Lava Man ships all around the country to race in every big purse. It's costly and risky and not necessary when you can race for big purses in your own back yard.

Why don't you consider the same issues for the horses you say should ship in to race against Lava Man. The SoCal climate is completely different than most other places. Also with respect to HP there is no other cushion track and its well known that you need some experience over it to run well. You are either based in SoCal or not. If you're not then its not likely that you ship out there when you can race closer to home.

So you're saying its much more plausible that he doesn't fire every time he travels? rather than even consider that his talent level is somewhat marginal.

And why ship all the way to suckcal,oops,SOCAL when all you gotta do is jump in a van and go up and down the east coast.

[Norfolk]

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[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

And why ship all the way to suckcal,oops,SOCAL when all you gotta do is jump in a van and go up and down the east coast.

your a troll, and are making completely hypocritical arguments, you knock the horse for not shipping and winning and then saying its irrelevant for east coast horses because its good money and races on the east coast. I hate to break it to you but they ran for 750k yesterday.

Are you this dense, please tell me you are just a troll?

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your a troll, and are making completely hypocritical arguments, you knock the horse for not shipping and winning and then saying its irrelevant for east coast horses because its good money and races on the east coast. I hate to break it to you but they ran for 750k yesterday.

Are you this dense, please tell me you are just a troll?

Not trolling at all.East coast AND midwest horses ship all over and win all the time.SoCal horses leave the confines of California and lose.All the time.Just look at the derby this year.I Knock the horse because you all act like he is the second coming of Secretariat.He is not!!!! He wins because SoCal racing is SUB PAR!!!!! I would keep him there and win all the time if he was mine,If people are that stupid to give away that kind of money to crap horses,I would stay and clean up too.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Not trolling at all.East coast AND midwest horses ship all over and win all the time.SoCal horses leave the confines of California and lose.All the time.Just look at the derby this year.I Knock the horse because you all act like he is the second coming of Secretariat.He is not!!!! He wins because SoCal racing is SUB PAR!!!!! I would keep him there and win all the time if he was mine,If people are that stupid to give away that kind of money to crap horses,I would stay and clean up too.

you mean like the horse who won the santa anita oaks and las virgenes winning the Oaks and Belmont....bad racing we know.

[Left Bank]

Give it up dude.You won't ever convince me.