free speech takes a hit

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I think one point that DTS made is that one man's illegal alien is another's pilgrim. There is a quote from Spike in BTVS that I paraphrase here: "You had better weapons, you slaughtered them and took their land, that's what nations do". The point being that when viewed in historical context, our "right" to this land came at the end of a bloody sword and to demonize people who come now in ways we see as "illegal" is, philosophically hypocritical. That's not to say we should open the doors to everybody..we need order and that IS the role of government. Still, the majority of these folks are honest and hardworking folks simply looking for a better life...not unlike our ancestors. We need answers, but pointing at the poor is always an effective strategy for the wealthy and powerful. Both ends of the political spectrum are involved in this mess...the "liberals" who are concerned about the welfare of these poor folks (and their votes) and the wealthy who have economic concerns (read: employ them). We sure don't need walls, we need a fair way of dealing with folks who are here and a coordinated effort with the Mexican government.

now this is more in line with my thinking. the rules need to be right, we need to have a fair # of immigrants per year, my issue is that for years now we've had some who we make jump thru every hoop, while now (apparently0 others who did it the wrong way just get to have the same thing.

there has to be a way, but it has to be right, and fair to those who are here, to those who want to come (but be realistic, there has to be a limit) without rewarding those who broke the laws getting here, and those who continue to do so after arriving.


but it's no more right to say hey, open the doors, everyone welcome, than to say hey there deb, you have plenty of land--we can fit four more houses, you'll just have to get over it.