Circular Quay

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Circular Quay is not a fast horse. Nothing special there other than that he was ready earlier. If you think this horse is special and has a big future based on 2 slow races in the spring of the 2yr old season you know nothing about horses. Most of the big names you will hear next spring have not even raced yet. Everyone knows that. These early races like the Bashford every year get people talking about how great they are and they almost always flame out. If early races mean anything I guess those AP Indys should just pack it in.

Ah the doubter returns!!! Yeah you are right, you would never wanna own one like that. Absolutely no talent at all.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ah the doubter returns!!! Yeah you are right, you would never wanna own one like that. Absolutely no talent at all.

He won't even be a top 5 3yr old in that barn. He is not fast and everyone knows it. Typical Bashford Manor mediocrity. TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING. How difficult is that for you to understand. It means they grew a little quicker, nothing else. This one isn't even fast.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

He won't even be a top 5 3yr old in that barn. He is not fast and everyone knows it. Typical Bashford Manor mediocrity. TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING. How difficult is that for you to understand. It means they grew a little quicker, nothing else. This one isn't even fast.

Umm, ok, whatever you say.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Umm, ok, whatever you say.

You think you know everything and know Pletcher, go ask the barn what they have. He is not a top 5 2yr old in that barn. He is running in sprints and he isn't even running faster than the girls.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

He won't even be a top 5 3yr old in that barn. He is not fast and everyone knows it. Typical Bashford Manor mediocrity. TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING. How difficult is that for you to understand. It means they grew a little quicker, nothing else. This one isn't even fast.

Yeah he might not be a top 5yr old three years from now either. WHO CARES!
Nobody talked about how this horse would do next spring. You sound like those of us who are excited about the horse predicted he would win the Derby and the BC Classic next year. Nobody did! We are smart enough to know that it is impossible to predict who will be good 3yo the previous July. This horse looks like a very good 2yo to me (and others). If he stays healthy I like his chances in some of the bigger 2yo races this fall. That is what I said to begin this thread, and I still think that. If you disagree with that, fine. But please don't make it seem like we were saying he was lock to win the Derby or anything like that. ArlJim is right. YOU were the one to bring up how good he would be as a 3yo.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Yeah he might not be a top 5yr old three years from now either. WHO CARES!
Nobody talked about how this horse would do next spring. You sound like those of us who are excited about the horse predicted he would win the Derby and the BC Classic next year. Nobody did! We are smart enough to know that it is impossible to predict who will be good 3yo the previous July. This horse looks like a very good 2yo to me (and others). If he stays healthy I like his chances in some of the bigger 2yo races this fall. That is what I said to begin this thread, and I still think that. If you disagree with that, fine. But please don't make it seem like we were saying he was lock to win the Derby or anything like that. ArlJim is right. YOU were the one to bring up how good he would be as a 3yo.

I am all for reason, and a reasonable person sees a nice horse, not "the best 2yr old in the last 10yrs". He's an ok horse, every single year we get these early budding 2yr olds and every year they flame out. His times are nothing special and I know for certain they think they have numerous better 2yr olds in their barn. That is just the Pletcher barn too. Last I checked other trainers have 2yr olds too. We haven't even seen Pletcher's $16M horse either. The Dogwood horse is a significantly better horse than CQ. I would expect Pletcher to keep CQ away from him as long as possible.

[miraja2]

"TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING."

I don't understand it when people say things like this.
I guess they mean it doesn't help you predict who will win the TC races 10 months from now.....which is obvioulsy true. But I mean, come on, they still mean something. It was still a stakes race. They do give out an eclipse award for 2yo and I would think graded stakes wins probably are a factor in determining that.
If all you care about is the TC races then I suppose you are correct, they don't mean anything. I enjoy watching 2yo racing for its own sake, and NOT because I may be watching a horse that might possibly compete in the Kentucky Derby.

Originally Posted by miraja2

"TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING."

I don't understand it when people say things like this.
I guess they mean it doesn't help you predict who will win the TC races 10 months from now.....which is obvioulsy true. But I mean, come on, they still mean something. It was still a stakes race. They do give out an eclipse award for 2yo and I would think graded stakes wins probably are a factor in determining that.
If all you care about is the TC races then I suppose you are correct, they don't mean anything. I enjoy watching 2yo racing for its own sake, and NOT because I may be watching a horse that might possibly compete in the Kentucky Derby.

No, it means 2yr olds change quickly and you haven't see most of them yet.
This horse is not one of the best "2yr olds in the last ten years" which is really the argument being made by one poster on this thread. That statement is insanity.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by miraja2

"TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING."

I don't understand it when people say things like this.
I guess they mean it doesn't help you predict who will win the TC races 10 months from now.....which is obvioulsy true. But I mean, come on, they still mean something. It was still a stakes race. They do give out an eclipse award for 2yo and I would think graded stakes wins probably are a factor in determining that.
If all you care about is the TC races then I suppose you are correct, they don't mean anything. I enjoy watching 2yo racing for its own sake, and NOT because I may be watching a horse that might possibly compete in the Kentucky Derby.

i can't understand it either, especially when you consider that five of the past fourteen derby winners debuted in June and July. I remember that stat because I looked it up myself and posted it on the previous Circular Quay thread when he broke his maiden. This thread is almost a repeat of that one post for post. I guess some people just have no problem continuously regurgitating their insane statements.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i can't understand it either, especially when you consider that five of the past fourteen derby winners debuted in June and July. I remember that stat because I looked it up myself and posted it on the previous Circular Quay thread when he broke his maiden. This thread is almost a repeat of that one post for post. I guess some people just have no problem continuously regurgitating their insane statements.

If you mean "the best 2yr old in 10yrs" as a ridiculous statement you are correct. The "great" term is also ridiculous. I guess you don't need to be fast to be great any longer.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

If you mean "the best 2yr old in 10yrs" as a ridiculous statement you are correct. The "great" term is also ridiculous. I guess you don't need to be fast to be great any longer.

No, by ridiculous I meant this one, "TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING." Try telling that to Sea Hero, Grindstone, Real Quiet, Charismatic, and Giacomo. They all started racing in June or July.

And why is it that all racing has to have TC implications or it means nothing. It's still horse racing and the races pay off just the same as the ones that the big guys are running in. Only a limited number of races involve those horses anyway.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

No, by ridiculous I meant this one, "TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING." Try telling that to Sea Hero, Grindstone, Real Quiet, Charismatic, and Giacomo. They all started racing in June or July.

And why is it that all racing has to have TC implications or it means nothing. It's still horse racing and the races pay off just the same as the ones that the big guys are running in. Only a limited number of races involve those horses anyway.

You need to take a class in logic. Who cares when any horse started racing? The point is that 2yr olds change overnight. These horses aren't even close to grown and what they do now is zero indication of what they will be like in a month from now, let alone a year from now. 2yr old horses can improve or regress in a matter of weeks. The fact is most 2yr olds are still unraced so to say that "as long as this horse is in training there won't be a two year old who will touch him" is RIDICULOUS.

Hoist I think you need counseling. This is a little over the top isnt it?
Glad the wifeys friend brothers dad, blah. WHo cares. You think it impresses us that you globbed onto someone who owns horses. Gee, what a hero. It looks as if thats your only qualification because you sure havent posted anything yet that gives us insight or though, thats for sure.
You are angry because you came here and talked smack about Tiger being the best three sprinter in the land, and I told you Anew would crush him, and he did. Sore loser who knwos nothing. Wanna talk accountability? be back in two seconds with all your ignorant Tiger posts you clown. Gimme a sec to copy them here on teh thread.