This isn't going to die, quite yet

[docicu3]

When I read the original post at the beginning of the thread, which has been deleted now unfortunately, I took your comment to imply that Gomez wasn't exactly riding his horse all out to win because he was upset because he was being kept off Rags.

If you didn't mean that I apologize but it was something I had not considered til then and in retrospect I think it is worth examining for merit.

I certainly do not want to put words in your mouth that you didn't intend to be represented by your thread......I am sorry this worked out this way I meant no malice toward you in any way.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by docicu3

When I read the original post at the beginning of the thread, which has been deleted now unfortunately, I took your comment to imply that Gomez wasn't exactly riding his horse all out to win because he was upset because he was being kept off Rags.

If you didn't mean that I apologize but it was something I had not considered til then and in retrospect I think it is worth examining for merit.

I certainly do not want to put words in your mouth that you didn't intend to be represented by your thread......I am sorry this worked out this way I meant no malice toward you in any way.

I understand that now, my first response to you was because I mis-understood. I absolutely think his heart was not in the ride, and did as little as he could to win the race. Where I went too far, was implying that he was trying to help Rags to Riches, which I have no facts to back up. We originally thought the only explanation for his ride was that he was following directions, but Larry Jones has made it perfectly clear that was not correct.

[Travis Stone]

Sounds like sour grapes to me... Saturday's race proved that Hard Spun is the 4th best 3-year-old through the Triple Crown.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Who was the 3rd best horse through the triple crown?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I had a feeling no one would want to try and answer that one.

I know I sure wouldn't.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I had a feeling no one would want to try and answer that one.

I know I sure wouldn't.

I would have to say Hard Spun as I have no fear.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

I would have to say Hard Spun as I have no fear.

That means one of the following three...Curlin, R2R, and SS would have to get a 4th place vote from you. Which is it?

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Sorry DrugS I had to go to work. After the Derby I thought the 3 best horses in the race ran 1-2-3. I wasn't sure in which order I would rank them, but I thought they were the top 3. I thought the same thing after the Preakness. Rags proved Saturday she belongs in the top 3 now, with Hard Spun dropping into 4th.

Me personally, and I will admit I'm a bit biased towards Street Sense would rank Street Sense 1, Curlin 2, Rags 3 and Hard Spun 4. I am in no way trying to diminish what Rags just accomplished, as she is a wonderful filly. She had the worst of it Saturday and beat Curlin straight up. I just think if they get a chance to race again I think Curlin gets her measure, and I think Street Sense is better than both of them. Hard Spun is in danger of losing 4 to either Tiago or The Green Monkey.

What do you say Sporty Fans!!??









I agree.











Crinkle

Trash can

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I still don't want to answer my own question....I have no problems posting about sock stories....but I really don't want to hear about some imaginary bias I supposedly have against a certain horse again.

[Bobby Fischer]

Watch the replay from the gate into the first turn.

Gomez turned down the inside and the lead going into the first turn.

He could have rated a slow 50second half on the lead or he could have changed the dynamics of the race and set a 48 half.

Probably 4th best regardless.

Beyond the start and pace decision:
On light viewing Gomez appeared to do a pretty good job of rating Hard Spun. In a quick look, I didn't see obvious signs of the horse fighting the jockey. If that is the case overall it wasn't the worst ride in history. If however Hard Spun never settled into a pace and actually fought Gomez all the way around then yes overall terrible ride.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

OOOOOOOOOO

Well played. I just gave Sniper your phone number, that's cool right?

Did you?

I sent him directions to his place.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

OOOOOOOOOO

Well played. I just gave Sniper your phone number, that's cool right?

Thank you.




And it's fine.....in fact he just called shreiking at the top of his lungs.

I just kept laughing and saying "doo-dah!"..which made him all the madder.









Oh by the way.













I gave your number to Uncly Trust.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree. So let me get this straight, Pino is taken off for moving too soon. Gomez gets crap for not moving too soon. Can't have it both ways Larry.

You know, maybe a trainer change is what is in need here, he complains that he's not in front of the two horses who finished dead ****ing last setting the pace, than says he should have been the one setting those slow fractions, as if Albarado and Velasquez are going to let Gomez lope along unchallenged. If I were Gomez I would tell Larry to lose 80 pounds and ride the ****ing horse himself!

[ArlJim78]

I have made the comment before that he is a horse that seems to want to run at one speed. He doesn't have a kick and he can't be restrained. Whenever the pace is slow and the jockey tries to restrain him his performance suffers. I don't know who is at fault the trainer or jockey for the way he was ridden in the Belmont, but I would have thought his best hope would have came by letting him run relaxed on the lead like in the derby.

However even letting him run he probably still would have finished fourth, at best maybe challenged for third. At classic distances he is a cut below the top in this crop.