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06-10-2007, 11:40 AM
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06-10-2007, 11:43 AM
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06-10-2007, 11:49 AM
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i think gomez thought wait a while was much better than she was, and that my typhoon was much worse than she turned out to be yesterday, that he could gun to the lead when he wanted.
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06-10-2007, 11:55 AM
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06-10-2007, 12:00 PM
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Honestly, you all are giving WAY too much credit to riders for having an effect on the outcome of races. I suggest spending time handicapping intelligently and forgetting about jockeys and the net results will be much better for you at the windows.
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06-12-2007, 09:19 AM
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Do you believe Larry Jones when he says he told Gomez to go to the lead? He had the rail wide open going into that first turn and could have had it easily, but decided he'd rather be 5 wide, choking the life out of his animal in order to pin Curlin down on the rail. I know this is all Monday morning QBing, as I for one thought what Pino did in the Preakness was inexcusable and was all for the change. But unfortunately Go-Go's strength is with off the pace runners, not front end horses (my opinion of course). I guess Jones was in a tough spot since Gomez was probably the best available, just not for that horse. Andy, I know you aren't into the whole jockey thing but do you have an opinion on who may have been a better fit for Hard Spun, besides Pino and I guess Johnny V, who was probably still waiting on Pletcher to decide on CQ? Last edited by NoLuvForPletch : 06-12-2007 at 09:36 AM.
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06-12-2007, 10:46 AM
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It isn't the ride I would have suggested, as I suppose if you are trying to get a horse to do something he basically can't, you should accentuate his strengths as much as possible. Would he have had a better chance if he had been sent to the lead? Maybe....but probably not. The make-up of the race would have changed dramatically and horses like Curlin and Rags to Riches, who seem perfectly comfortable sitting a bit off a contentious pace, may well have had trips more to their liking than sitting right on a dawdling pace. People act as though the pace scenerio affected only one horse in this race, Hard Spun, when in fact it theoretically changed the entire make-up of the race. But, being that the results were easily expectable ( is that a word? ), ultimately I feel it was an honestly run race. Hard Spun is both distance challenged ( something evident in the previous triple crown races ) and not that good ( something evidenced his entire career ).
Personally I don't think any of Hard Spun's races have been affected by his rider ( though I guess the Southwest was a mediocre passive ride but he was both victimized by post and probably mediocre instructions due to an irrational evaluation of the horse's actual talent ). He's finished about where he should have every time he's run. Do I think it's an odd choice to switch to a guy like Gomez if you want to dominate a race on the front end? No....he had no trouble making the lead with Dream Rush. He's a rider, he can ride a horse in many ways, and I don't believe the connections that he ignored their instructions, just as I don't believe the lunacy of people that think there were other games being played in the race. These guys simply aint that smart. What everyone, his connections and people evaluating the race, needs to really do is get a more realistic opinion of Hard Spun.
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06-12-2007, 11:27 AM
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Am I the only one who hopes Hard Spun comes back in the Haskell? Am I also the only who is naive enough to believe Hard Spun will ever race again, period?
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06-12-2007, 11:54 AM
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06-12-2007, 12:03 PM
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I don't know if anyone has brought this point up yet....but it was Gomez who, in last years Belmont, carved out the 23 flat and 47 1/5 fractions aboard post time favorite Bob And John.
The horses racing 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th after a half mile in last years running....all would be beaten 20 or more lengths by the mighty last-to-first winner Jazil....who is still looking to get through his N2X allowance condition. One of those four quiters came back to win the Ohio Derby next out, and two others had fairly nice recent performances (Bob and John and High Finance) Perhaps Gomez had regrets about getting burned up on the lead in this race last year, and that was on his mind this year--however, once he saw no one else wanted the lead.....
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06-12-2007, 12:15 PM
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It just seems considering all the questionable and unfair stuff I have heard come out of that camp that I think it is at least fair to take anything they say with a grain of salt. Look at it this way.......is it unreasonable to assume any instructions went something like this " obviously our best chances would be loafing along on the lead, but with potential other speed in the race we don't want to get caught up in a speed duel, so if another horse wants the front, and we know Hard Spun can stalk, feel free to let them go " but then when others went, but slowly, the connections somehow decided that those instructions should have included " but go if they are really backing it down? "
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06-10-2007, 11:52 AM
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Dream Rush wins Wait a While might win Hard Spun loses no matter what
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