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Old 06-04-2007, 03:49 PM
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I'm looking forward to seeing Hard Spun in the winner's circle.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:50 PM
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I'm looking forward to seeing Hard Spun in the winner's circle.

Keep dreaming then...
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:53 PM
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Keep dreaming then...
Maybe you can share with me some tips on handling things post race? Seems like you've got it down to a science by now being a "drifty" fan.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:55 PM
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Maybe you can share with me some tips on handling things post race? Seems like you've got it down to a science by now being a "drifty" fan.

Didn't say he (Drifty) was going to win did I? Just that I hoped and was rooting for Drifty. Head said Boboman, although look where that got me.

Honestly though, I don't think Hard Spun is going to win this one. Curlin either for that matter. Just my original thoughts. Once the PPs are up I will do my homework some more. Not writing anything in pen yet.
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Old 06-04-2007, 05:29 PM
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Didn't say he (Drifty) was going to win did I? Just that I hoped and was rooting for Drifty. Head said Boboman, although look where that got me.

Honestly though, I don't think Hard Spun is going to win this one. Curlin either for that matter. Just my original thoughts. Once the PPs are up I will do my homework some more. Not writing anything in pen yet.
When did you actually start using pps and not just having a vision or going to the fortun teller?
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Old 06-04-2007, 05:45 PM
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When did you actually start using pps and not just having a vision or going to the fortun teller?
That's a bit coarse.

What does it matter if somebody is just a fan of the sport and doesn't care all that much about reading a racing form or making a huge wager?

Last time I went to the track there were about 10,000 empty seats. There's plenty of room for fans of the sport.
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Old 06-04-2007, 07:16 PM
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Just going off pedigree (I got these #'s from pedigree query)-

I am just wondering why everyone seems to think hard spun will have no problem with 12 f and is bred for it. Danzig is more known for sprinters I thought. His DI is 2.67 and his CD is .66. According to http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/review.htm those numbers would make him most effective at 9 - 9 1/2 furlongs, which would compliment his run in the Derby. I dont understand how that makes him great for 12 f.

I'll go through the other horses-

Curlin DI 4.00 and CD 1.05 - bred for 6 - 7 furlongs

Rags to Riches - DI 3.00 CD .86 - bred for 7 to 9 furlongs

I'mawildncrazyguy - DI 6.00 and CD1.07 - bred for short sprints!

Tiago - DI 1.91 CD .31 - bred for 12 furlongs and beyond

Slews Tizzy - DI 2.00 CD . 67 - bred 9 - 12 furlongs

Digger - DI 4.33 CD 1.00 - Bred for eating and pooping

Time Squared - DI 3.25 CD .91 - bred for around a mile

Circular Quay - DI 2.08 CD .66 - bred 9-12 furlongs (probably wont run)


So if you are going off only pedigree, Tiago and Slews Tizzy are your guys (may want to keep them in your exotics). Granted horses dont run to their pedigree always (Curlin), but I wouldnt say Hard Spun is a lock at 12f.

I'll go through the past 10 Belmont winners and their pedigree for distance, maybe we can put things together.

Jazil - DI = 3.00 CD = 0.89 Bred for 8 - 9 furlongs

Afleet Alex - DI = 2.11 CD = 0.71 Bred for 11 furlongs

Birdstone - DI = 1.77 CD = 0.33 Bred for 12 and beyond

Empire Maker - DI = 1.88 CD = 0.42 bred for 12 and beyond

Sarava - DI = 4.50 CD = 1.00 Bred for sprints

Point Given - DI = 3.00 CD = 1.00 Bred for 9 furlongs or shorter

Commendable - DI = 5.00 CD = 1.07 Bred for quarter horse races

Lemon Drop Kid - DI = 2.62 CD = 0.79 Bred for 10 furlongs

Victory Gallop - DI = 3.27 CD = 0.81 Bred for a mile and 70

Touch Gold - DI = 1.82 CD = 0.46 Bred for 12 furlongs

So of the past 10 years, 1/2 of the horses were bred for 10 f or beyond.

I guess this means that pedigree really has nothing to do with the Belmont!
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:54 PM
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LOL Buffy... and Slew's Tizzy has a much better shot? Come on...
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:56 PM
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LOL Buffy... and Slew's Tizzy has a much better shot? Come on...

Yes. He is better rested with four weeks off since his last race. I may be wrong and I will admit it if he doesn't run well, but right now I am thinking he is going to run a big race. He is ready to take on the big boys, whether or not he can handle them is what I am anxiously awaiting.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:58 PM
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Under the assumption that Rags isn't going...it's either Hard Spun or Curlin. None of the other "contenders" on the list have proven they can beat these two.
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Under the assumption that Rags isn't going...it's either Hard Spun or Curlin. None of the other "contenders" on the list have proven they can beat these two.
Because I don't think some of the other "contenders" have faced them.

Why do you say Rags has a shot? She hasn't faced them before? Has she even faced boys before?
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Why do you say Rags has a shot?
Pedigree says so.

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She hasn't faced them before? Has she even faced boys before?
No, but once again, her pedigree says so and talent wise, she's got just as much there. (IMO.)
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Because I don't think some of the other "contenders" have faced them.

Why do you say Rags has a shot? She hasn't faced them before? Has she even faced boys before?
She's shown more ability than any of the other contenders. I think she could easily run top 3, even have a shot at winning. She's improved off of every race.
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:15 PM
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hard spun is bred for 12f...of course his running style may or may not be conducive to the distance, but i'd put his chances up there ahead of much of the field.

the top three in the derby finished in the top three in the preakness. since one of them isn't going saturday, let's go with the fourth in the derby....
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:03 PM
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Yes. He is better rested with four weeks off since his last race. I may be wrong and I will admit it if he doesn't run well, but right now I am thinking he is going to run a big race. He is ready to take on the big boys, whether or not he can handle them is what I am anxiously awaiting.
I don't like him at a mile and a half. This is no 'normal' race...
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:09 PM
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I don't like him at a mile and a half. This is no 'normal' race...

You don't think a Tiznow colt can get a mile and a half? Shame on you! Hee hee. Just teasing.

His mama is a great granddaughter of a triple crown winner ya know.
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The early DRF PPs are up. Rags to Riches is in there if you want to check her out. http://www.drf.com/tc/belmont/2007/pps/pps.html
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You don't think a Tiznow colt can get a mile and a half? Shame on you! Hee hee. Just teasing.

His mama is a great granddaughter of a triple crown winner ya know.
I do know and actually really like his pedigree because of the presence of Crozier in the 5th generation, BUT don't like him at a mile and a half.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:53 PM
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I'm looking forward to seeing Hard Spun in the winner's circle.
Hard Spun will be near the front, Digger or no Digger, and fade slowly towards the end.

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