Excuses

[estreetposse]

I think what some of us playing "Devil's Advocates" on SS really want to see is him win a race by sweeping wide around 3,4, or 5 horses in a Grade 1 race as a 3 year old...If he is that good, shouldn't he still be able to overcome? That's all it would take for me to start really believing he is the top 3 yr old so far this year.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

I think what some of us playing "Devil's Advocates" on SS really want to see is him win a race by sweeping wide around 3,4, or 5 horses in a Grade 1 race as a 3 year old...If he is that good, shouldn't he still be able to overcome? That's all it would take for me to start really believing he is the top 3 yr old so far this year.

I guess that's what's being said to some extent. But he's 8-10 inches away from having a shot at the triple crown, so he's done very well. Or, maybe just two or three more good cracks with the left hand.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I guess that's what's being said to some extent. But he's 8-10 inches away from having a shot at the triple crown, so he's done very well. Or, maybe just two or three more good cracks with the left hand.

I agree that he, Curlin and HS are the top of this crop...I do believe IF he won the Preakness, a shot is only what he would have had and we still would be waiting till next year. He is a good horse and his record says so.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

I agree that he, Curlin and HS are the top of this crop...I do believe IF he won the Preakness, a shot is only what he would have had and we still would be waiting till next year. He is a good horse and his record says so.

What are you suddenly..the local expert on things around here? C'mon..BC Juvey...Derby.. win....win what idiot would take him 5 or 6 wide to begin with?

[Linny]

Good horses make good trips. How rare is it that we have to discuss the "horrible trip" suffered by a top class horse?

Good ones are athletic and quick enough to move when needed yet rateable enough to ease off and return to cruise control. While I hardly rate Afleet Alex amongst the greats of the game, he had that ability. His athleticism was apparent in the derby but especially in the Preakness. This year Tiago tried to follow SS through on the rail in KY and was left in his dust when he shot the rail. Tiago is a decent colt but he's not on par with SS.
SS has that ability with the added bonus of liking to race inside. That makes him the perfect match for Calvin "the termite" Bo-rail. He showed his guts in Tampa and his quickness in KY. Maybe he's a Churchill horse for course but he did run a big race last week. maybe he was just tired form the effort two weeks prior. Remember, racing back in 14 days is not something that stakes horses are used to any more.

[ultracapper]

i haven't really watched street sense's gallup outs, which may be over-rated to some extent, but sometimes they are indicative of a horse's overall toughness or distance abilities. ss is incredible in the far turn, but has made me nervous in the stretch every race this year, except kentucky, and i thought he was susceptable in the preakness. does he pretty much cash it in after the finish line? when "it's done", is "he done"? i don't think ss is a ***** by any standards, but i don't think he's a "dig in and get dirty" colt either. he and borel should have finished that deal in baltimore. very disappointing.

[ultracapper]

***** in previous post is another word used for cat, or kitty.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Linny

Good horses make good trips. How rare is it that we have to discuss the "horrible trip" suffered by a top class horse?

It is stuff like this, that is like hearing nails on the chalkboard....and drives me into a hysteria of long-winded posts.

I don't agree with that at all...however, my views of what "perfect trips" and "bad trips" are....they are very much different than those of other people.

Afleet Alex had several bad trips in his career. While I'm glad he lost the BC Juvie for personal financial reasons....he was MUCH the best, and only lost due to the horrible trip he had. He also lost two other major races, where he arguably ran the best race from a trip standpoint.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

What are you suddenly..the local expert on things around here? C'mon..BC Juvey...Derby.. win....win what idiot would take him 5 or 6 wide to begin with?

Just for the record I was just busting chops on my buddy Posse.

[Linny]

That Ft Plain branch must be a pretty wild place...whodathunkit?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Linny

That Ft Plain branch must be a pretty wild place...whodathunkit?

It is.....especially this past weekend with the carnival right outside the back door. Horses and Carnies...It just doesn't get any better.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Linny

That Ft Plain branch must be a pretty wild place...whodathunkit?

It's the "wildest" branch of all the Capital OTB parlors without a doubt!

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

What are you suddenly..the local expert on things around here? C'mon..BC Juvey...Derby.. win....win what idiot would take him 5 or 6 wide to begin with?

And if he had to go around 5 or 6 horses on the turn, is it still win...win?

Get back to work!!!

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

And if he had to go around 5 or 6 horses on the turn, is it still win...win?

Get back to work!!!

if...piff...sniff......I am working....Study HAll right now.

[Zippy Chippy]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

I think what some of us playing "Devil's Advocates" on SS really want to see is him win a race by sweeping wide around 3,4, or 5 horses in a Grade 1 race as a 3 year old...If he is that good, shouldn't he still be able to overcome? That's all it would take for me to start really believing he is the top 3 yr old so far this year.

Well, if the rail is open and it is clear shot to the front, don't expect Borel to take Street Sense outside just to silence the Devil's Advocates. There is no reason to take the long way when the short cut is right in front of you.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Zippy Chippy

Well, if the rail is open and it is clear shot to the front, don't expect Borel to take Street Sense outside just to silence the Devil's Advocates. There is no reason to take the long way when the short cut is right in front of you.

Thanks Sherlock...why didn't I think of that?

[Zippy Chippy]

No problem, boss My point was that you have a number of people who are skeptical about Street Sense because he hasn't made a five-wide trip. The way he runs, he doesn't need to make that outside trip. If the "outside trip" is the standard that is being used to determine if Street Sense is a "great" horse or not, the skeptics may never get a chance to be satisfied.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Zippy Chippy

No problem, boss My point was that you have a number of people who are skeptical about Street Sense because he hasn't made a five-wide trip. The way he runs, he doesn't need to make that outside trip. If the "outside trip" is the standard that is being used to determine if Street Sense is a "great" horse or not, the skeptics may never get a chance to be satisfied.

Ahh got that one didn't ya ...I know he is a good horse & that helps him get the trip(not being intimidated by going inside & having a powerful move) along with the Jock(also not afraid to run the rail) but what if that rail is finally shut down on the turn & the top of the stretch and there is NO POSSIBLE WAY of getting his preferred trip...Does anyone from the Church of Carl & Calvin care to enlighten us? Does he still win?...place?...show?...OTB? Will going 5-6 wide cause him to "hang" even more? Being that wide will Borel be looking over his shoulder at the pretty ladies in the grandstand instead of the fast closing horsies behind him giving the Deciples even more reasons to blame for losing?
Thanks for your thoughts.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well he did not have his "preferred" trip in the Preakness, and he lost by a head, while running I believe one of the fastest Preakness's ever. I guess my issue is why can't a great race be appreciated? There were no losers in the race IMO. They both ran their eyeballs out as well as Hard Spun. Isn't this as fans what we want? Good horses running their best against each other? It looks as though Street Sense has no shot in your eyes. When he wins, there is a caveat, he got a perfect trip. He "loses" and is beat a head, and he didn't get his trip.

It was a great race. I enjoyed it thoroughly. SS has a shot every time he steps on the track...no questions asked. Just not sitting in the pew behind you...he wasn't forced outside 3,4,5 horses which is my bottomline question of how will he perform if or when the the situation arises. Will his stretch run be affected or is he "great" or good enough to overcome this obstacle.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who did you bet in the Derby?

AGS...CQ...HS Win Bets

Many triples including SS...HS in 4 of them for 1st & 2nd(which I posted I probably wouldn't use SS on top but I did anyways)

I just didn't have Curlin on any of them to finish it off but many others which would have made me very, very happy

I was also stupid for not playing the exacta but had 25 people at my house and having my wife pissed at me for it and truthfully forgot what the hell I had bet on my phone account.

Is this relevant to my questions about SS?