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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

hey team have you ever seen The Company Boar's Head Provision in Brooklyn on Rock Street? I work for them and I was wondering if you have eaten our Deli meat growing up in NY? They say it's all over the Deli's in New York. Just a question buddy. Thanks.

Boars Head is hands down the best. It's all I'll eat. Once you have the best it's hard to have anything else.

[randallscott35]

Keyed Entry was done a massive disservice by that Derby run. He had no chance and he ran to it. Pissing contest and the horse comes out the loser.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Keyed Entry was done a massive disservice by that Derby run. He had no chance and he ran to it. Pissing contest and the horse comes out the loser.

You are absolutely right, and I love Todd, but you are right. After showing twice he wants no part of two turns, they threw him to the wolves. I hope he gets a breather and we'll see him in the late season sprints. I think he would fit perfectly in a race like the Cigar Mile.

Originally Posted by Sweetness

You are absolutely right, and I love Todd, but you are right. After showing twice he wants no part of two turns, they threw him to the wolves. I hope he gets a breather and we'll see him in the late season sprints. I think he would fit perfectly in a race like the Cigar Mile.

The great Todd Pletcher blew it with this horse. I really hope the owners pushed him into the derby because that race ruined that horse.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

The great Todd Pletcher blew it with this horse. I really hope the owners pushed him into the derby because that race ruined that horse.

Without knowing for sure, I think they did. It's that Derby fever.

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Without knowing for sure, I think they did. It's that Derby fever.

Had to be the owners in my opinion but the Pletcher ass kissing on this site is ridiculous. Win a Classic race before we start making him out to be Lukas or Baffert.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Had to be the owners in my opinion but the Pletcher ass kissing on this site is ridiculous. Win a Classic race before we start making him out to be Lukas or Baffert.

With all due respect, he has run second twice, and the run he has been on in the last 5 years or so has been nothing short of remarkable. Pletcher's only been training for about 10 years, and I challenge you to find someone with a more influential 10 years. Look how long it took Bobby Frankel, or Neil Drysdale to get a classic win. Pletcher will get his, no doubt, but you can't say the man isn't an incredible trainer because he hasn't won a classic.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Had to be the owners in my opinion but the Pletcher ass kissing on this site is ridiculous.

It is a bit over the top at times.

He's a very good trainer, and a great businessman who has managed to amass just about every thoroughbred running in the US, but the " Todd is so great " posts get a bit wearinsome at times.

I'm a horseplayer....I will only make money beating a trainer who seems to run the favorite in just about every race. Thus I find myself rooting for him about as often as Haley's Comet shows up.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Had to be the owners in my opinion but the Pletcher ass kissing on this site is ridiculous. Win a Classic race before we start making him out to be Lukas or Baffert.

I have to agree with this statement...I like the dude and think he's one helluva horseman, but why all the priase?...With the horseflesh he gets year-in and year-out he arguably is just doing average with his stock...I'm not saying he's doing poorly, but give any other good horseman his stock and see how well they would do with it....It's not like he has two or three Classic victories...he didn't even win a BC race until 2004.....he's a good trainer - make no mistake about it....but to praise him for being a dynamite conditioner may be like Jor Torre for being a great baseball coach...you better be half decent when yoour owners surround you with the best talent in the game...the thing I respect about him is his political abilities...he has somehow lured in the Jones, Overbrook, Padua, the Melnyks, Coolmore, WinStar and many other top owners - which is amazing to me....If I was a big-time owner I would probably want to be the lone big fish in the pond but instead he has found a way to marry running of of these nice horses from different big-time operations without conflict of playing favorites, etc.....that is what I most admire about the guy to be honest...He wil win a classic and probably multiple Classics, but how couldn't you with that stock?

Leroy Jolley won Classics, Jack Van Berg won Classics, and Bill Turner won Classics.....just goes to show that anybody is dangerous with good horses....

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Keyed Entry was done a massive disservice by that Derby run. He had no chance and he ran to it. Pissing contest and the horse comes out the loser.

Yep, we've seen so many that have been ruined in the Derby.....it is a shame...look how well Songandaprayer is doing at stud...it is realistic to believe that had he not been forced on the Derby trail setting a 44 second half-mile that he would have developed into a far better sprinter than he turned out to be....what a waste