Shocking news!!!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I have no idea what you are talking about.

SAME HERE

[ArlJim78]

I have no idea what any of you are talkin about. I thought maybe it was the wine. Now I'm not so sure.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't think you get what I mean, and I was trying to answer your question when I posted the link.

This?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I have no idea what any of you are talkin about. I thought maybe it was the wine. Now I'm not so sure.

Hell...it's been a GREAT day, made $375 in the 5th @ Belmont & got the Red Sox in the "13" run baseball pool this week!!!
No problems here!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Hell...it's been a GREAT day, made $300 in the 5th @ Belmont & got the Red Sox in the "13" run baseball pool this week!!!
No problems here!

None for me either, had a good Pk 3 at Holly a few times, The Rye Man!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I made a comment about being on a soapbox in reference to someone who likes to preach to others. Now what are you talking about?

DaHoss, never mind...it's late. I understand your post yesterday, understand the "soapbox" reference on the thread...all is good!

[Left Bank]

I am hoping that someone near her finally sat her down and said"Look,What the F_ck are you doing?" Hopefully someone explained how to read a condition book to her.This horse is getting a much needed rest and hopefully some class relief in his next races.
I think he would be a great sprinter on an easier circuit.

[Fearless Leader]

I think it is ironic that the people on this thread who are most critical of Jamie Sanders are the same wizards who ran a 15000n2l filly in an allowance race at Keeneland. At least her horse has won a cople of stakes and his earnings have far exceeded his acquisition cost. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Members have been suspended and banned for less.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

I think it is ironic that the people on this thread who are most critical of Jamie Sanders are the same wizards who ran a 15000n2l filly in an allowance race at Keeneland. At least her horse has won a cople of stakes and his earnings have far exceeded his acquisition cost. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Members have been suspended and banned for less.

ML,

If you want to question the placement of the filly, you can address me or Chuck Simon. "The people on this thread critical of Jamie Sanders" may or may not be partners in Dee Tee and aren't germane to her record and stock placement. And the 15,000/N2L filly fit pretty well at $50,000 two weeks ago at Churchill in case you missed it.

[blackthroatedwind]

I have it on good authority that Chuck never enters a horse without consulting Jamie Sanders first.

[Fearless Leader]

SB,

My point is merely this: The major portion of the commentary in this thread comes from both yourself and Cannon Shell, bashing Jamie and her management. The point is that she has made several hundred thousand dollars and won some stakes with a horse she paid $9,000 for. Her current overall statistics nonwithstanding, I think it is ethically questionable and somewhat unprofessional for you and Cannon Shell to publically bash her in such a fashion. As for the specific management of your horse, as I am neither charged with her care, nor an investor in her, where or when she races is not my province. However, If you don't appreciate someone commenting on your choices in such a fashion, why do you think it is appropriate to do the same?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

SB,

My point is merely this: The major portion of the commentary in this thread comes from both yourself and Cannon Shell, bashing Jamie and her management. The point is that she has made several hundred thousand dollars and won some stakes with a horse she paid $9,000 for. Her current overall statistics nonwithstanding, I think it is ethically questionable and somewhat unprofessional for you and Cannon Shell to publically bash her in such a fashion. As for the specific management of your horse, as I am neither charged with her care, nor an investor in her, where or when she races is not my province. However, If you don't appreciate someone commenting on your choices in such a fashion, why do you think it is appropriate to do the same?

58 posts, two that could be construed as critical by steve, and that's the majority?? wow. someone didn't pay attention in math class.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

SB,

My point is merely this: The major portion of the commentary in this thread comes from both yourself and Cannon Shell, bashing Jamie and her management. The point is that she has made several hundred thousand dollars and won some stakes with a horse she paid $9,000 for. Her current overall statistics nonwithstanding, I think it is ethically questionable and somewhat unprofessional for you and Cannon Shell to publically bash her in such a fashion. As for the specific management of your horse, as I am neither charged with her care, nor an investor in her, where or when she races is not my province. However, If you don't appreciate someone commenting on your choices in such a fashion, why do you think it is appropriate to do the same?

Well, two wrongs don't make a right...but I understand the point. As I've said, I don't understand what she's done wrong...the Derby is a once in a lifetime opportunity for MOST trainers, and all she did afterwards was take her time and then make what everyone seems to think was the correct decision...yet the criticism and attacks on her personally including, in some threads, remarks about her hair, her intellect, her overall looks...hard to take!

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

SB,

My point is merely this: The major portion of the commentary in this thread comes from both yourself and Cannon Shell, bashing Jamie and her management. The point is that she has made several hundred thousand dollars and won some stakes with a horse she paid $9,000 for. Her current overall statistics nonwithstanding, I think it is ethically questionable and somewhat unprofessional for you and Cannon Shell to publically bash her in such a fashion. As for the specific management of your horse, as I am neither charged with her care, nor an investor in her, where or when she races is not my province. However, If you don't appreciate someone commenting on your choices in such a fashion, why do you think it is appropriate to do the same?

Fair enough.. And your point is well taken. For our part, there are certain objectives that are involved with the Stable that are not typical. We're looking to assemble friends at the racetrack with the hopes of doing well with the horse(s) we campaign. Running the filly over her head at KEE was attractive for our purposes in that there was interest in seeing her aptitude on the lawn and an opportunity to bring parters to Keeneland specifically. We understand those that questioned the placement, but we also had the same questions asked when she ran for $50k two weeks ago before she was 2nd beaten 1.25L posting a 77 BSF and T-G '10'.

While your point about owners pretending to believe their horses are something they are not has great merit, criticism of Sanders is based on her outlandish and contradictory statements concerning Teufelsberg and his opportunities for success. If, as she said, the Preakness was 'his best chance in the classics all along', why the Derby run where he had no chance? Team Valor saw the logic in passing the Derby for the Preakness with 'Roxy', and Mark Shuman did as well with Xchanger. Her training record and constant over-reaching with this very nice colt is the topic of discussion, and she has opened herself up to the criticism given the stage upon which she is operating.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

SB,

My point is merely this: The major portion of the commentary in this thread comes from both yourself and Cannon Shell, bashing Jamie and her management. The point is that she has made several hundred thousand dollars and won some stakes with a horse she paid $9,000 for. Her current overall statistics nonwithstanding, I think it is ethically questionable and somewhat unprofessional for you and Cannon Shell to publically bash her in such a fashion. As for the specific management of your horse, as I am neither charged with her care, nor an investor in her, where or when she races is not my province. However, If you don't appreciate someone commenting on your choices in such a fashion, why do you think it is appropriate to do the same?

The majority of the commentary comes from Cannon Shell? My ONE comment in the whole thread was that I doubted the validity of the supposed 3 million dollar offers for the horse which I will say to you, Jamie Sanders , or whoever else cares to ask. People like you still dont understand that if you want to play in the big leagues that you have to take the criticism along with the accolades. I certainly have never bashed her personally or professionally. I could care less what you think of me, our horse or partners and I'm sure that Jamie could care less what we say on this forum. I applaud her and Donnie for finding a $9000 horse who became a stakes winner. But to say that I or anyone else is unprofessional or unethical because they have dont agree with a horses schedule is stupid. If you lack the ability to understand the difference between horses racing in the Triple Crown races and horses owned by people in an internet forum then maybe you should reconsider your posts bashing Steve Byk and myself

[Fearless Leader]

So, WHO was it that STARTED this topic in the first place and who was it that also gave it the condescending title? Your indignation is misplaced.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

So, WHO was it that STARTED this topic in the first place and who was it that also gave it the condescending title? Your indignation is misplaced.

So what? As far as I know people are still allowed to make condescending remarks. Is your point that she is a good trainer or that people should not be allowed to voice an opinion that they think she is lousy because of some professional code? Either way I think you're all wet.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

So, WHO was it that STARTED this topic in the first place and who was it that also gave it the condescending title? Your indignation is misplaced.

I did not "start a topic", I posted a NEWS ARTICLE. If you found it "condescending" then why would you read it? If you think that we are not free to question trainers, jockeys, owners, horses, then why are you here? I thought it was in poor taste to knock Jamie's personal attributes but why in the world are we not allowed to question her moves with the horse? That's what a forum is for, for discussion. If you dont like the discussion then say what ever you want but dont take offense when you become the target.

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I did not "start a topic", I posted a NEWS ARTICLE. If you found it "condescending" then why would you read it? If you think that we are not free to question trainers, jockeys, owners, horses, then why are you here? I thought it was in poor taste to knock Jamie's personal attributes but why in the world are we not allowed to question her moves with the horse? That's what a forum is for, for discussion. If you dont like the discussion then say what ever you want but dont take offense when you become the target.

Seems that you are the one that is offended. Why is it OK for you to question someones moves with a horse but not OK for anyone to question yours? As I stated above....People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

Seems that you are the one that is offended. Why is it OK for you to question someones moves with a horse but not OK for anyone to question yours? As I stated above....People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Where did I ever say that no one can question moves with my horses? You and others questioned running a 15000 nw2 horse in an allowance race at Keeneland. I had my reasons and publicly stated as such. You obviously didn't agree with that move but I dont care what people think because it was that race had her ready for her last race, where she ran pretty well for an overmatched horse. I am not offended by anything you said however I find it odd that you would call me out by name when I said almost nothing in the entire thread.