Barbaro continues to Improve

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The screws bending is a sign that the graft didn't hold and it is unlikely when they closed him up six weeks ago they expected to put in more screws. Far from impossible but not in the original plan. Like you said, it's a setback, and hopefully he will be fine. But none of this is good news nor was it planned originally. That doesn't, however, mean it's terrible news.

Wrong. Stop posting nonsense you know nothing about.

[blackthroatedwind]

Actually I had an extensive conversation with a surgeon about this before posting.

I have no idea why you jumped on earlier posters who were just stating the obvious, as I am, about yesterday's news. The additional surgery is cause for pause. That's all.

I'm sure we all wish Barbaro the best but that doesn't preclude talking about this realistically.

And it won't.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually I had an extensive conversation with a surgeon about this before posting.

I have no idea why you jumped on earlier posters who were just stating the obvious, as I am, about yesterday's news. The additional surgery is cause for pause. That's all.

I'm sure we all wish Barbaro the best but that doesn't preclude talking about this realistically.

And it won't.

SURE YOU DID. I am sure surgeons have plenty of time to talk to you about anything, let alone other doctor's patients. Enough with your lying. Nobody believes any DVM, let alone a surgeon, which there are a handul of, is sitting around with you on a holiday weekend talking about Barbaro. Why don't I just say I talked directly to Dr. Richardson? Hilarious. I admit my conversation was with a friend that spoke with the family, in fact, my friend spoke to his father that spoke to the family, but even if I am the 3rd person down the chain it is more believable than some guy who claims a surgeon was talking to him this morning about Barbaro.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by boldruler

SURE YOU DID. I am sure surgeons have plenty of time to talk to you about anything, let alone other doctor's patients. Enough with your lying. Nobody believes any DVM, let alone a surgeon, which there are a handul of, is sitting around with you on a holiday weekend talking about Barbaro. Why don't I just say I talked directly to Dr. Richardson? Hilarious. I admit my conversation was with a friend that spoke with the family, in fact, my friend spoke to his father that spoke to the family, but even if I am the 3rd person down the chain it is more believable than some guy who claims a surgeon was talking to him this morning about Barbaro.

Dude, you need to relax. Sorry if it upsets you that others are allowed to post opinions about this. Tough.

So, now you're a friend of a friend. That's great.

I have a LOT of friends as well. I just don't blab about it on the internet. And, frankly, you're the one turning this into an argument.

Just relax, because people have a right to post things you disagree with. And, frankly, your snide remarks claiming I lied about talking to a doctor are insulting.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Dude, you need to relax. Sorry if it upsets you that others are allowed to post opinions about this. Tough.

So, now you're a friend of a friend. That's great.

I have a LOT of friends as well. I just don't blab about it on the internet. And, frankly, you're the one turning this into an argument.

Just relax, because people have a right to post things you disagree with. And, frankly, your snide remarks claiming I lied about talking to a doctor are insulting.

I have always been a friend of a friend. I have met the owners but they aren't my friend. He said they were told the horse is doing great and that the surgery was not something they were surprised by and that the horse is continuing to improve.

People can post whatever they want, but you lies about talking to a surgeon this morning border on ridiculous. Most people didn't even know about his surgery until this morning and I doubt this surgeon you talked to was just available while you were posting on some website. Hilarious. Lies on chats are expected, but that one is way out there.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I have always been a friend of a friend. I have met the owners but they aren't my friend. He said they were told the horse is doing great and that the surgery was not something they were surprised by and that the horse is continuing to improve.

People can post whatever they want, but you lies about talking to a surgeon this morning border on ridiculous. Most people didn't even know about his surgery until this morning and I doubt this surgeon you talked to was just available while you were posting on some website. Hilarious. Lies on chats are expected, but that one is way out there.

You must stop with the claims of lying Ruler.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You must stop with the claims of lying Ruler.

The guys probably knows a ton more than me, but not about this situation. Look, no surgeon talked to him today about Barbaro. If you believe that, well you probably believe everything.

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm not looking for a fight, and I'm not sure why you are making this into one, but I tell you what....the surgeon I have discussed this with, yeah I just hung up on him again ( and I never said he was a vet but we can discuss that if you REALLY want to ) will be staying with me opening week at Saratoga. You are more than welcome to get together with us and discuss this with us. That would be great. Feel free to PM me and I will tell you where to find us.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not looking for a fight, and I'm not sure why you are making this into one, but I tell you what....the surgeon I have discussed this with, yeah I just hung up on him again ( and I never said he was a vet but we can discuss that if you REALLY want to ) will be staying with me opening week at Saratoga. You are more than welcome to get together with us and discuss this with us. That would be great. Feel free to PM me and I will tell you where to find us.

You were the one who said " I will trust what a doctor told me over vague supposed connections to the owners and spin." If you want to question me, I will question you.

I will be up at Saratoga and might try to go to the sales with my friend, although I am not a buyer. I am sure he would love to hear the opinion of an MD on an operation to a horse. He told me the DVM that did the surgery said things were great, but I guess an MD who has never even touched the horse, knows better. I am not sure why the owners would spin anything. In fact, they have been trying to keep as little information as possible out there about the horse. They have a new star horse in Showing Up, and even though they didn't breed him like Barbaro, he is becoming a huge favorite of their entire operation. In fact, after next weekend Barbaro will be the top earner of all horses this year, and Showing Up will move into second. Pretty good for a medium sized operation like Lael.

[SentToStud]

Kind of silly, this whole thing. For all anyone knows, the screws got bent as a result of bone growing back. Then again, .... I remember reading that the number of screws used on Barbaro was more than used on any other horse with a similar condition. I'm more curious about the new screws. I'm sure there will be more public information soon enough as the press does it's job. The rest is just supposition. No reason for dirty words at twenty paces.

[blackthroatedwind]

First of all, I never said the surgery did not go well, and I am quite sure a great vet like Dr. Richardson did an exceptional job, and I have no reason to believe the surgery wasn't completely successful. What I did say was the fact that this surgery was necessary was cause for concern. I hardly see how that is out of line. I think all of us can reasonably agree that any surgery is a cause for concern. In this case, as I stated, it reintroduces the possibility of infection, and as my surgeon friend told me it probably increases that risk a little bit.

I think the opinion of a neutral ( and extremely qualified ) party is more informative in this case than the connections who even you are saying are being ( understandably ) tight lipped about this. I have no doubt that the medical opinions I heard are more than qualified. I am sorry you won't be in Saratoga the first week as I think you would be more than satisfied had you gotten together with us.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by boldruler

SURE YOU DID. I am sure surgeons have plenty of time to talk to you about anything, let alone other doctor's patients. Enough with your lying. Nobody believes any DVM, let alone a surgeon, which there are a handul of, is sitting around with you on a holiday weekend talking about Barbaro. Why don't I just say I talked directly to Dr. Richardson? Hilarious. I admit my conversation was with a friend that spoke with the family, in fact, my friend spoke to his father that spoke to the family, but even if I am the 3rd person down the chain it is more believable than some guy who claims a surgeon was talking to him this morning about Barbaro.

That is completely ridiculous for you to accuse the guy of lying about talking to a surgeon. It is not at all unlikely that he talked to a surgeon. Many of us talk to our vets all the time. If I was at the track this morning, I could have asked my vet about what the meaning may be have been about them giving Barbaro some new screws. He'd answer the question.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That is completely ridiculous for you to accuse the guy of lying about talking to a surgeon. It is not at all unlikely that he talked to a surgeon. Many of us talk to our vets all the time. If I was at the track this morning, I could have asked my vet about what the meaning may be have been about them giving Barbaro some new screws. He'd answer the question.

Here's a less believable story, but true nonetheless, and I'm sure you will appreciate it.

A few scenes from " The King of Comedy " were filmed in my cousin's apartment ( before he owned it ).

Excellent movie by the way.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here's a less believable story, but true nonetheless, and I'm sure you will appreciate it.

A few scenes from " The King of Comedy " were filmed in my cousin's apartment ( before he owned it ).

Excellent movie by the way.

I don't belive that. You're definitely lying. Just kidding. LOL.