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Old 05-08-2007, 11:08 AM
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Certainly Sun King and Silver Wagon. I imagine the other two from the Westchester, Utopia and Political Force, would go. Latent Heat or maybe the Frankel horse that won at Churchill Saturday. I had heard Silent Name but he may be going in a Hollywood sprint instead. I would guess Half Ours perhaps, maybe Keyed Entry, but the fact that he failed to show up in the Westchester or Churchill sprint is cause for pause. I wish Pletcher would run Circular Quay as it seems like a perfect spot.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:13 AM
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I'm assuming that Discreet Cat won't be anywhere near... What about Sweetnorthernsaint?
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:15 AM
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what was the general reaction to Utopia's win on his US debut??
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:32 AM
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what was the general reaction to Utopia's win on his US debut??

Ennui.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:46 AM
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Ennui.
Interesting, for some reason I thought you would have had a little bit of intrest in a horse that has won some major races from around the globe, and is now competing here in the United States.

I would be happy to see him stay in the States this year. Obviously Darley is looking to increase his value as a stallion, and still racing at 7 years of age and being competative in graded stakes here is a plus.

Do you find his accomplishments to be unworthy of attention in the racing community? Just curious...

I will be interested to see how he can compete against what will hopefull be a good Met field, and hopefully see him further down the road this year.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:51 AM
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Interesting, for some reason I thought you would have had a little bit of intrest in a horse that has won some major races from around the globe, and is now competing here in the United States.

I would be happy to see him stay in the States this year. Obviously Darley is looking to increase his value as a stallion, and still racing at 7 years of age and being competative in graded stakes here is a plus.

Do you find his accomplishments to be unworthy of attention in the racing community? Just curious...

I will be interested to see how he can compete against what will hopefull be a good Met field, and hopefully see him further down the road this year.

First of all, aside from my post being for a laugh, would you describe the general reaction differently? Were there any threads or discussions of this horse here or really anywhere?

He was a mediocre talent from the Far East, that Godolphin purchased and promptly laid up for 14 months. He set a dawdling pace and hung on while racing on a strong rail.

I predict if he runs in the Met Mile he will be much closer to last than first.

And, finally, I stand by my original opinion......the general reaction to his win was in fact ennui.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:00 PM
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First of all, aside from my post being for a laugh, would you describe the general reaction differently? Were there any threads or discussions of this horse here or really anywhere?

He was a mediocre talent from the Far East, that Godolphin purchased and promptly laid up for 14 months. He set a dawdling pace and hung on while racing on a strong rail.

I predict if he runs in the Met Mile he will be much closer to last than first.

And, finally, I stand by my original opinion......the general reaction to his win was in fact ennui.
Sorry I missed the joke.

I was just taken aback by the lack of intrest. I found it interesting that he is the first horse bred in Japan to win a graded stakes in the US since 2002. I thought that at least was something that should bring some intrest.

No, I don't believe there any real discussions of his last race, but then again I didn't look for any. I, however, wouldn't use a word such as "ennui" to describe it. Obviously there was some sense of intrest in Utopia, as he was brought up in this thread.

While the pace may have been dawdling in the Westchester, he did show some fight after being headed. After a 14 month layoff, you don't think he may show some improvement in his next race?

It is fine that you believe there was a total lack of intrest in his running and winning a graded stakes, I just thought it deserved would be more then a one word answer. Again, I missed the humour.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:21 PM
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First of all, aside from my post being for a laugh, would you describe the general reaction differently? Were there any threads or discussions of this horse here or really anywhere?

He was a mediocre talent from the Far East, that Godolphin purchased and promptly laid up for 14 months. He set a dawdling pace and hung on while racing on a strong rail.

I predict if he runs in the Met Mile he will be much closer to last than first.

And, finally, I stand by my original opinion......the general reaction to his win was in fact ennui.
Group 1 winner (albeit local G1s) at 2,3,4 and 5.. no mean acheivement.. i mentioned him last year as a horse to look out for.. He doesnt seem to run well two races in a row so he wouldnt seem a good bet whatever the race next time out..
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Old 05-09-2007, 07:43 PM
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First of all, aside from my post being for a laugh, would you describe the general reaction differently? Were there any threads or discussions of this horse here or really anywhere?
Well I like him!

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ghlight=utopia

Oh wait... I like all the mediocre ones.....
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:16 AM
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Speaking of Frankel, is High Limit back to being retired? I thought they were trying to bring him back.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:17 AM
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Speaking of Frankel, is High Limit back to being retired? I thought they were trying to bring him back.
My understanding is he's still in training, pointing for the Met Mile.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:30 AM
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I wish Pletcher would run Circular Quay as it seems like a perfect spot.
I have a feeling that a one-turn mile might end up being the perfect spot for Circular Quay, Any Given Saturday, and Scat Daddy.

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Old 05-08-2007, 11:57 AM
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I have a feeling that a one-turn mile might end up being the perfect spot for Circular Quay, Any Given Saturday, and Scat Daddy.

NT
I was actually half-jokingly goign to suggest CQ in the Met Mile.
Have any 3-year olds had any luck in this race? Seems a bit lofty to face older for the first time in such a tough spot, but then again, there aren't any Ghostzappers pointing to it, either.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:59 AM
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I was actually half-jokingly goign to suggest CQ in the Met Mile.
Have any 3-year olds had any luck in this race? Seems a bit lofty to face older for the first time in such a tough spot, but then again, there aren't any Ghostzappers pointing to it, either.

Only Conquistador Cielo, Holy Bull, Honour and Glory and Dixie Brass immediately come to mind.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:13 PM
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That Honour and Glory race is one of my Belmont favorites. He squeezed up the rail at 12-1 to beat You and I and Afternoon Delites. I think he set a stakes record in that one.

Few people could believe that Lukas entered him after he got fried in the Derby three weeks earlier.

I couldn't believe it when he entered Cat Thief in the Met Mile after running in the Preakness and he was bet down to 2 and change.
Honour and Glory wired the field I believe.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:25 PM
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a recap of Utopia's win
http://nyra.com/belmont/stories/Westchester.html
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:38 PM
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Might Lawyer Ron race?
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:28 PM
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Utopia isnt much. Then again it doesnt take much to beat Sun King and Political Farce. This year's Met Mile is in trouble if Sun King is the most accomplished horse going.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:42 PM
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This year's Met Mile is in trouble if Sun King is the most accomplished horse going.
Yeah, I guess winning a G2 last year and being 2nd in two G1s (by a nostril to Invasor, no less) is just pathetic.
Of course I understand people do tend to trash Sun King as if it's a chemical dependency-thing, but I don't get it.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:47 PM
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That Honour and Glory race is one of my Belmont favorites. He squeezed up the rail at 12-1 to beat You and I and Afternoon Delites. I think he set a stakes record in that one.
I think You and I might have been done racing by that point... It was that very fast Dutrow sprinter Lite The Fuse and Afternoon Deelites that DH'ed for the place...
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