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Old 05-08-2007, 07:01 AM
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meaning that the guy knows that this particular horse needed to do more...be very careful making blanket statements based on the performance of ONE horse...
A lot easier to know a particular horse in your barn when he's one of 25-30.. A little harder when he's one of 386 at one of 11 shedrows across the country.


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BTW, when did you get you trainer's liscense?
Recently completed the University of Phoenix Online degree program.. I should have 250-300 head in no time.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:50 AM
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A lot easier to know a particular horse in your barn when he's one of 25-30.. A little harder when he's one of 386 at one of 11 shedrows across the country.
which is why the best help is employed, I think john may have said it best to you yesterday on your show...Lukas didn't touch all the horses everyday either....you know who did that for him? Pletcher.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:07 AM
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which is why the best help is employed, I think john may have said it best to you yesterday on your show...Lukas didn't touch all the horses everyday either....you know who did that for him? Pletcher.
And Mark Hennig.. And George Weaver..

But Lukas WAS indeed hands on as he always had his TC horse(s) near him as soon as they were identified while Jeff Lukas headed up the rest.
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I did mean the final prep (work) for the top 5 wasnt over poly. Im starting to like the poly.
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Old 05-09-2007, 10:47 AM
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Here is what Oneill said in the DRF on things he learned.

Second, O'Neill recognized that the first five Derby finishers all had their final workout at Churchill Downs. Great Hunter and Liquidity had their final workout at Keeneland, something O'Neill would do differently next time. He said the Derby ordeal was both fun, and frustrating.

Thats just for the smartasses who had to jump in on this thread.
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O'neil's horses were bombs for a reason, and likely would have finished up the track no matter where they ran their final workouts. Great Hunter had a horrible post and Liquidity just didn't belong in the race.

Street Sense, Hard Spun and Curlin were the favorites to win the derby based on talent alone and likely would have performed well no matter what surface they did their final work on.
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The guy felt he made a mistake, and in retrospect he obviously did, as did anyone putting in a final work over the polytrack. Jim, whether you felt they had a chance or not Mr Oneill thought he made a mistake. Im sure most guys who didnt put in their final work over CHD are now second guessing themselves.
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