Street Sense Not For Me....

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Well then Circular Quay got outrun in the Risen Star, BC Juve and the Breeders Cup Futurity.

I wouldnt say that Quay got outran in the Risen Star because a horse fell in front of him. And I wouldnt say that SS got outran in the Bluegrass because of the lugging, not switching leads and Teuf coming out on three horses.

SS and Quay are hard to seperate. They both will be far back and both will have to find their way through traffic. Both horses like Churchill. SS - 2-1-1-0 and Quay 3-2-1-0. Quay is coming off of his best beyer and SS is coming off a beyer of 93 (which he has digressed in his last two starts from his 108 in the BC Juve 108-102-93.

For me the difference in the two is that Carl has had a plan for SS since the BC Juve and the planned has worked to perfection. Quay had his plan altered and that isnt a good sign for me. But if you like one, you almost have to like the other.

Quay sure did get outran....badly in the BCJ, the race at Keeneland, and the Risen Star. I don't think SS will be very far back this time around. Just a feeling though.

I'm gonna go back and watch the replay of the Bluegrass and look at what difficulties SS had.

I'll be back on in a minute.

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Street Sense ran as hard as he could in that race in my opinion and was outfinished by a runner that had to change course as well to get around him and get running room.

He did get hampered a bit in the stretch but he had let down a couple of times and didn't go past them and was caught.

Does no one else think Dominican had to alter course as well while giving Street Sense a head start and still caught him?

Because that is what I saw. I am thinking that everyone wants to throw this race out due to pace, etc... because Street Sense didn't show dominance over this field. If he didn't win by a pole, then there obviously has to be some other outside factor that didn't let him do his thing. Since I think AGS is a dog, I wasn't impressed with the Tampa Bay effort as well. He has ran two races this year and hasn't yet shown that he stands out in my opinion. I think that the probable derby favorite needs to show this progression into a dominant animal before the race. Without his BC win at Churchill last year, he would be another Zanjero.

I suppose that I am gambling against him repeating what I consider to be a "freak" effort. Without that effort, he hasn't shown me that he is any better than the rest.

[whodey17]

Dominican had to alter course, but SS problems was 4 fold....

1) Lugged in at the top of the stretch
2) Didnt switch to his right lead
3) Teuf came out
4) Once SS switched to his right lead, he switched back to his left after Teuf came out.

In addition, they raced over Poly which is a surface that Dominican loves and SS doesnt really care for.

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I added to my last post with an edit...

sorry

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Originally Posted by whodey17

Dominican had to alter course, but SS problems was 4 fold....

1) Lugged in at the top of the stretch
2) Didnt switch to his right lead
3) Teuf came out
4) Once SS switched to his right lead, he switched back to his left after Teuf came out.

In addition, they raced over Poly which is a surface that Dominican loves and SS doesnt really care for.

Agreed on all points except I think the source of three of those problems can be blamed on the horse.

1) his fault
2) his fault
3) not his fault
4) ehhh...push

The champion or best horse in the race should get clear and mow them down. Maybe it was jockey error and Borel should have swung him wide where he could let down and get in full cry. I don't know. I'm not backing him though.

I see all your points and I am making concessions for my choice as well. I don't wish SS or Nafzger any ill-will and would be thrilled for them to win. Just don't like what I see.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Agreed on all points except I think the source of three of those problems can be blamed on the horse.

1) his fault
2) his fault
3) not his fault
4) ehhh...push

The champion or best horse in the race should get clear and mow them down. Maybe it was jockey error and Borel should have swung him wide where he could let down and get in full cry. I don't know. I'm not backing him though.

I see all your points and I am making concessions for my choice as well. I don't wish SS or Nafzger any ill-will and would be thrilled for them to win. Just don't like what I see.

I agree with you 100% that the horse doesnt switch leads and causes some of his own problems. This is my only knock on the horse. I like both SS and Quay. However, I am structuring my ticket around Quay in 2nd and 3rd.