Street Sense Not For Me....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

1) What did I do or say to you?

2) I don't see the comparison between "Blocky's"(I know u luv'em) last race and SS last...
Sec was 5-6 lengths back while SS no further than 3 off the entire
race and should have pulled it out if he truly is the best in this crop, IMO.


And to the Jersey Folk:

I was roomates at school with a bunch of guys from NJ, I know it's not that bad, but it was the
nicest thing to say that was in my head at the time, I apologize to the rest of the Jersey folk.

Nothing... it just irks me that you can hold it against a horse like Street Sense for losing a race. Just an awfully bold comment for you to make, that's all. LOL on the 'Blocky' reference.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nothing... it just irks me that you can hold it against a horse like Street Sense for losing a race. Just an awfully bold comment for you to make, that's all. LOL on the 'Blocky' reference.

Alright, I understand, but can someone explain why he lost the race and then tell me why it seems I can't try to beat him in the derby? Like I've said 2 or 3x before, I just don't like him on top but will probably use him underneath.
I'll check back manana to see who else wants a whack at me, Good Night.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Alright, I understand, but can someone explain why he lost the race and then tell me why it seems I can't try to beat him in the derby? Like I've said 2 or 3x before, I just don't like him on top but will probably use him underneath.
I'll check back manana to see who else wants a whack at me, Good Night.

Nothing wrong with trying to beat him... if anything, I'd try to beat him by the fact that he's only had two starts as a 3 year old. But just out of curiosity... IF he had won by a neck in the Blue Grass, would you still be trying to beat him?

[whodey17]

Not sure how anyone can say SS was outrun in the Bluegrass. SS was on his left lead drifted in behind Great Hunter, then got on his right lead, then Teuf came out and SS switched back to his left lead and lugged in, it wasnt until the finish line when SS switched back to his right lead. After all of this, he loses by a nose to a horse who loves Polytrack.

For me the knock on SS is his tendecy not to switch leads. He had a hard time getting to the correct lead in the Bluegrass and in the BC Juve he ran almost the entire stretch on his left lead.

[The Bid]

How many times has SS been off the board

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by The Bid

How many times has SS been off the board

I am sure you know this but....7-3-2-2. So he has never ran off the board.

[Scurlogue Champ]

I think it depends on your definition of "outrun."

In my opinion he was outran because he didn't win.

He had every shot and didn't get there.

If he would have won, he wouldn't have been outran. He would have outran everyone else.

If the margin is what you are suggesting, then that is a valid point. But that race goes down in history as Dominican's. Street Sense's stallion advertisement isn't going to say Bluegrass Stakes (GR. 1) didn't get outran

it will say Bluegrass Stakes (GR. 1) 2nd

[The Bid]

Thats what I figured Whodey, 7 starts and never off the board. He hangs on the wrong lead and hes still getting it done. Better hope he doesnt switch over this Saturday if you are throwing him off the ticket

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Thats what I figured Whodey, 7 starts and never off the board. He hangs on the wrong lead and hes still getting it done. Better hope he doesnt switch over this Saturday if you are throwing him off the ticket

This is worth bringing up... couldn't help it, guys!

[whodey17]

Well then Circular Quay got outrun in the Risen Star, BC Juve and the Breeders Cup Futurity.

I wouldnt say that Quay got outran in the Risen Star because a horse fell in front of him. And I wouldnt say that SS got outran in the Bluegrass because of the lugging, not switching leads and Teuf coming out on three horses.

SS and Quay are hard to seperate. They both will be far back and both will have to find their way through traffic. Both horses like Churchill. SS - 2-1-1-0 and Quay 3-2-1-0. Quay is coming off of his best beyer and SS is coming off a beyer of 93 (which he has digressed in his last two starts from his 108 in the BC Juve 108-102-93.

For me the difference in the two is that Carl has had a plan for SS since the BC Juve and the planned has worked to perfection. Quay had his plan altered and that isnt a good sign for me. But if you like one, you almost have to like the other.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Well then Circular Quay got outrun in the Risen Star, BC Juve and the Breeders Cup Futurity.

I wouldnt say that Quay got outran in the Risen Star because a horse fell in front of him. And I wouldnt say that SS got outran in the Bluegrass because of the lugging, not switching leads and Teuf coming out on three horses.

SS and Quay are hard to seperate. They both will be far back and both will have to find their way through traffic. Both horses like Churchill. SS - 2-1-1-0 and Quay 3-2-1-0. Quay is coming off of his best beyer and SS is coming off a beyer of 93 (which he has digressed in his last two starts from his 108 in the BC Juve 108-102-93.

For me the difference in the two is that Carl has had a plan for SS since the BC Juve and the planned has worked to perfection. Quay had his plan altered and that isnt a good sign for me. But if you like one, you almost have to like the other.

Quay sure did get outran....badly in the BCJ, the race at Keeneland, and the Risen Star. I don't think SS will be very far back this time around. Just a feeling though.

I'm gonna go back and watch the replay of the Bluegrass and look at what difficulties SS had.

I'll be back on in a minute.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nothing wrong with trying to beat him... if anything, I'd try to beat him by the fact that he's only had two starts as a 3 year old. But just out of curiosity... IF he had won by a neck in the Blue Grass, would you still be trying to beat him?

Yes, I would, by a neck, nose, length etc....2 preps as a 3, same as AGS but I like the extra week, 2 wins by storming the rail which I don't think anyone will let it happen again and I don't feel he can be pushed 5+ wide and win with other talented colts in this field. He is one of the best in the field, and I will play him underneath, it just seems like I am being forced to love him and key him when I don't and probably won't.

[Danzig]

going by what street sense has done, both last year and this....didn't he run on poly just before the bc juvie? didn't win the poly race, but of course trounced the field at churchill......those who ignore history and all that.

as for him being outrun a few weeks ago--i don't think a headbob either way means a horse out ran, or was out run by, another horse. also, did street sense give weight to dominican? or was it level weights for all?

[Danzig]

and speaking of street sense, this from drf:

Street Sense sharp once again
By MIKE WELSCH
LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Street Sense may have stamped himself the favorite for the 2007 Kentucky Derby by turning in another eye-catching work on Tuesday morning.

With regular rider Calvin Borel aboard, Street Sense worked five furlongs in 1:00.68 seconds, according to Daily Racing Form, coming home his final quarter-mile in 22.82 seconds. He galloped out six furlongs in 1:13.04 over a fast track.

Cobalt Blue was scheduled to "open gallop" over the track on Tuesday. according to his trainer Doug O’Neill, but was full of run and was timed going seven furlongs from the three-eighths pole to the half-mile pole in 1:26.17 by Daily Racing Form. O’Neill said afterwards that he would confer with the horse’s owner, Merv Griffin, later today before making a final decision on whether to enter Cobalt Blue in the Derby.

Entries for the 2007 Kentucky Derby will be taken on Wednesday.


-------and judging by cobalts gallop, i bet he enters.

[slotdirt]

I've decided this is a very clever ploy by Moodwalker to get the odds on Street Sense up on Saturday.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I've decided this is a very clever ploy by Moodwalker to get the odds on Street Sense up on Saturday.

That is slander and I suggest you maybe just say that "you don't choose to listen to moodwalker" in the future.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I am almost reluctant to respond as I don't want you to go tattle to the other place and say how you are being forced to do something. No one is forcing anything, it was a discussion. That's what happens here, we discuss things. At no point yesterday did it get out of hand, so your post is way off, here and there. Honestly, I and I'm sure everyone else forcing...errr discussing this could care less if you like SS. Bet who you like. To bet someone else other than who you like because someone on a message board said so would be ludicrous. You stated why you didn't like SS, those that do like him responded. If you didn't want a response maybe you shouldn't have posted it, as this is a message board and the point is to discuss things.

You didn't have to respond as I was replying to Cajun...but thanks for your input. You are right, nobody is forcing me to play SS...as I have said, I will play him, underneath on my own. For a period of time discussion it was not, it was like many have done before...stand the boy up and tie him to the whipping post and start lashing. I am not in the majority here, as I remember, I believe only 3 of us argued against SS. Should I change my opinion of SS, Nafzger, or the Bluegrass? Maybe. Will I? When the posts come out possibly I will. We 3 who stated our claims against haven't swayed any opinions, nor have any of those for swayed mine. As for the other site, they all know what goes on here and you all know what goes on there, I'm not getting into a pissing match when the common goal is the same...HORSERACING!!! I've said all I can say on this, thank you for everyones input.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Where exactly was the lashing? That's bulls hit. No one is trying to sway any opinions, again this is a message board, if everyone agreed on everything it'd be pretty boring. And as for the pissing match, who is trying to get into one? Point is, for someone not trying to get into a pissing match, that post over there certainly seemed suspect. What exactly was the point of that? Pity?

Uh oh. Don't make me go over there and read.

I wasn't trying to lash out at anyone... just didn't agree on what he was saying about Street Sense. Heavens... opinions are like assholes... everyone has one.

[estreetposse]

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Got tore up pretty bad "next door", they ganged up on me, now I got a broken arm, sprained fingers from typing trying to defend myself...might go back for more manana.

What do ya think Moodwalker, did they convince you to play Street Sense yet?

My exact post...no need to get Blocky all excited, Cajun.

I do have a broken arm which I didn't say you did, my fingers do hurt from typing with one hand defending my opinions which I, you and everyone is entitled. I am of the opinion that I was in the minority and felt that I was ganged up on. Minority is a fact...ganged up on is an opinion...remember this is a message board, I'm allowed to have one as are you.

Now, I have supported this board over there if you bothered to read any more of my posts or whoever is the real tattler here(freakin' grade school)read any. I have especially supported the proud owners of SumWon and DeeTee stables who have been mocked repeatedly. I also have stuck up for that site and a few of its members a few weeks back,
because I felt they brought valid points and were found out & trashed.

BOTTOM LINE

There is great info at both sites about horseracing, am I right? There is great "discussions" at both as well. Why can't we just leave it at that?