Street Sense Not For Me....

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Triple Crown for Street Sense for sure.

Didn't Secretariat get beat before his Ky Derby?

I can't see Street Sense running a bad race.

waiting for the draw before I committ. For no I say no worse than 2nd.

Does SS remind anyone of Captain Bodgit? He isn't as far out of it as you think but he comes flying like he was far far back

[Danzig]

i wouldn't leave street sense off any exotic tix.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Dude, it's about fitness, not the whip. When people say that he wasn't cranked, they don't mean that the horse wasn't trying as hard as he could, they mean that he wasn't as fit as he will be for the Derby. You seem to think that it's impossible to have a horse more fit for one race than for another.

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

he shouldn't necessarily have won handily--again, for reference--birdstones run before the derby--was it turfway? at any rate, on a sealed track, zito was LIVID, all the talking heads on tv said that birdstone was much the best of the field, should win easy, regardless of track, blah blah blah.
oops.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

"Birdman" would have picked him 1st...because he will be the favorite, but he's a Pletcher fan!

they would get a kick out of him on this or any site!

[JDank34]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

SuperflyMurdockDude..I realize you can be fitter or more fit for one race than another...conditioning or fitness as you have pointed out so nicely for me is in fact what it is. I 'm sorry for my lack of knowledge in this area and I will now retreat back into my shell. Before I leave, I will say that if he was or wasn't cranked,, he should have beaten the field handily, poly or not, if he is in fact the best of this year's crop. Thank's for coming. Good Night, God Bless.

seriously Mr. Born In The USA...you are awful arrogant about who should have done what at this point. good luck to you....

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Before you leave and everyone gets upset, why should he have won handily? Because he is the best? Doesn't always work out that way.

Ok, maybe he should have just won...
Winners don't settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
The best should win when given the chance. Did he have the chance?
Yes, did he win?
No, he lost by a poohair as did a few others.

Question...were all the other horses not fit as well or were they at their peak performance that they will duplicate in the derby while SS blows them away
as he was just riding the exercise bike in the Bluegrass.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

A nose loss has "being outrun" since they made the distinction between first and second money.

When I think of being outrun, I think of a horse losing by lengths. Matter of opinion I guess.

Good luck with your tickets on Derby Day.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Ok, maybe he should have just won...
Winners don't settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th.The best should win when given the chance. Did he have the chance?
Yes, did he win?
No, he lost by a poohair as did a few others.

Question...were all the other horses not fit as well or were they at their peak performance that they will duplicate in the derby while SS blows them away
as he was just riding the exercise bike in the Bluegrass.

Not all derby winners won the race just prior to the Derby. Off the top of my head are Funny Cide, Monarchos, and Giacomo.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Ok, maybe he should have just won...
Winners don't settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
The best should win when given the chance. Did he have the chance?
Yes, did he win?
No, he lost by a poohair as did a few others.

Question...were all the other horses not fit as well or were they at their peak performance that they will duplicate in the derby while SS blows them away
as he was just riding the exercise bike in the Bluegrass.

You are right! I think every horse who we label as a "winner" should be undefeated over his or her career! Anything else is just a loser!



The best horse does not win every day, we all know this.

[JDank34]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Ok, maybe he should have just won...
Winners don't settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
The best should win when given the chance. Did he have the chance?
Yes, did he win?
No, he lost by a poohair as did a few others.

Question...were all the other horses not fit as well or were they at their peak performance that they will duplicate in the derby while SS blows them away
as he was just riding the exercise bike in the Bluegrass.

How many GREAT horses were given the chance to win and didn't every time????what a ridiculous statement. i'm not sure why I am even responding to these posts...it is just that I find them utterly amazing. did alydar have a chance to beat affirmed? what about real quiet, silver charm, giant's causeway, sakhee, point given, etc, etc, etc.....

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What exactly are you talking about? Seriously I don't understand your logic, although that might not be a bad thing. He lost by a nose, my point was had he gotten that nose in front at the wire would you even have a point? I have no idea as to what horses are or aren't fit. I'm not training them, how in the hell do I know? My point is I am guessing he will be ready to run a smasher on Saturday. If he doesn't, I lose money. So be it. Just for s hits and giggles who is your pick?

Xchanger.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by JDank34

seriously Mr. Born In The USA...you are awful arrogant about who should have done what at this point. good luck to you....

Am I being arrogant? I was just being curious awhile back and also pointing out something that I though had merit. I guess not...ridicule and wise ass comments are very encouraging though. Thank you, they will help me and many others trying to cap the Derby.

[declansharbor]

[quote=estreetposse]Am I being arrogant? I was just being curious awhile back and also pointing out something that I though had merit. I guess not...ridicule and wise ass comments are very encouraging though. Thank you, they will help me and many others trying to cap the Derby.[/QUOT

You let other's comments dictate how you "cap" the race??

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What exactly are you talking about? Seriously I don't understand your logic, although that might not be a bad thing. He lost by a nose, my point was had he gotten that nose in front at the wire would you even have a point? I have no idea as to what horses are or aren't fit. I'm not training them, how in the hell do I know? My point is I am guessing he will be ready to run a smasher on Saturday. If he doesn't, I lose money. So be it. Just for s hits and giggles who is your pick?

Sorry, I was answering 2 posts at once.

I have some narrowed down but not in order until posts are drawn.
I like AGS, CQ, ZAN, and SS in there as well, just not on top.
I never said I didn't think he would be out of the $$$, just that he got the whip quite a bit down the stretch and he did not win and was wrong in my thoughts of being cranked for the race.

Now for all the others...who said he had to win his last before the derby?
Not me.

I'm sorry for saying a winner should win when he has the chance, I mispoke.
A Champion should win when given the chance, and I believe that is what should have happened yet it did not.

[mclem10011]

Your tickets, would be a huge mistake IMO. I agree with the comment, Natzger will have this horse primed. But of course in this large of a field, the trip will tell the tale, this horse gets in a lane at the top of the stretch, he's got the kick to beat any of these.

[estreetposse]

[quote=declansharbor]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Am I being arrogant? I was just being curious awhile back and also pointing out something that I though had merit. I guess not...ridicule and wise ass comments are very encouraging though. Thank you, they will help me and many others trying to cap the Derby.[/QUOT

You let other's comments dictate how you "cap" the race??

No, but others views on races can quite helpful and the sarcastic points like you are making here are very asinine and will be ignored quite easily.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Ok, maybe he should have just won...
Winners don't settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
The best should win when given the chance. Did he have the chance?
Yes, did he win?
No, he lost by a poohair as did a few others.

Question...were all the other horses not fit as well or were they at their peak performance that they will duplicate in the derby while SS blows them away
as he was just riding the exercise bike in the Bluegrass.

The KING of asinine statements...So bad, it couldnt be ignored..

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by ARyan

When I think of being outrun, I think of a horse losing by lengths. Matter of opinion I guess.

Good luck with your tickets on Derby Day.

I appreciate it. Good luck to you as well.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

The KING of asinine statements...So bad, it couldnt be ignored..

Coming from Jersey, the armpit of America, nice.


if you bothered to read further...

I'm sorry for saying a winner should win when he has the chance, I mispoke.
A Champion should win when given the chance, and I believe that is what should have happened yet it did not.

If he is the best 3 year old in the world that is prepping for this race and he was and still is far superior to the field in the Bluegrass as it seems many think on here, then yes, I believe he should have won, Bottom line.