Alec Baldwin v. my brother

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The two views I gave were not tied together. The other view was about kids in general a punishment, I did not mean these to run together.

And again I say I really dont care if he called her a whore. The fact of the matter is it was all about Alec getting hurt. You dont do that to your kid. "You hurt me so bad you little pig Im going to make you pay for this." Alec cares far more about Alec than his child. This is the main point of that entire tirade. And this is the same crusader for all that is good and against self serving people. I hate the hypocrasy. He cant even live his own ideals. So its much worse than "oh he has a bad temper, oh he goes overboard." The man is a selfish SOB. And he professes to care about other's plights, when all he cares about is himself in a relationship with his daughter. The utter gall of this incident is mind numbing. Sorry I get mad at my daughter but there is no doubt in my mind, or my brother's that our daughters are far more important to us than ourselves.

"You selfish pig, you made me look bad" WTF KIND OF CRAP IS THAT? IT IS INDEFENSIBLE.

Well, I remember my mom telling me (at age nine- me, not my mom) how much something I had done had mortified her, and it's one of the rants at me that I still remember to this day- it really affected me. And it wasn't how what I had done was bad for me- it was how it shamed her. And it made me feel terrible about what I'd done. So I can't say, though I do in fact think Baldwin is self-centered, that this rant in particular was evil because it was about how his daughter's behavior affected him-- keep everything in a kid's life about how it affects the kid and I think you wind up with an adult who is only interested in how anything in his or her life affects said adult. Sorry, pgardn, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I just don't see anything different from what lots of parents do.

I, for one, am shocked that an actor would be so self-centered. HOWEVER, I don't see what the big deal is. It's been known for quite some time that Baldwin and Basinger are batschit insane. Now if the girl was really fat then there would be a problem. She might end up anorexic and/or bulemic but as of right now that's all the rage in Hollywood. She'll be ok.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I, for one, am shocked that an actor would be so self-centered. HOWEVER, I don't see what the big deal is. It's been known for quite some time that Baldwin and Basinger are batschit insane. Now if the girl was really fat then there would be a problem. She might end up anorexic and/or bulemic but as of right now that's all the rage in Hollywood. She'll be ok.

I missed you, PP. Where ever have you been?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I missed you, PP. Where ever have you been?

I missed you too, Cajun. Had a 3 day vacation and now i'm making moves in lewlville. Crazy time of year.

[Buffymommy]

Alec is going to be on The View tomorrow. Supposedly to express himself and talk about parental rights, etc...

It will be interesting to see what he has to say.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Alec is going to be on The View tomorrow. Supposedly to express himself and talk about parental rights, etc...

It will be interesting to see what he has to say.

well, he oughtta fit right in. can't believe that bitch-fest is still on the air.

[GenuineRisk]

So, here's some dirt on the situation- a friend of mine is the daughter of an actress who works quite a bit and has some friends in the same circles as Baldwin. What she told me was that Basinger is well known as being out of her mind and the angry phone call was the result of years of fighting over custody. They fully admit Baldwin is in his own world, but said he has been fighting Basinger for several years now over rights to see his own kid- his anger on the message, while admittedly overblown, is not a result of one missed phone call, but a result of years of protracted legal battles over seeing his own daughter and having very limited visitation due to Basinger doing everything she can to not let him see her, and, apparently poisoning the girl against her dad (and don't tell me that doesn't happen- much as my husband honors his late mother's memory, he remembers her turning him against his dad in the wake of the divorce. His dad and he were estranged for years as a result.)

And now Baldwin goes on The View tomorrow to say he's trying to get out of his "30 Rock" contract and wants to retire and leave the country. He's really embarrassed about all this. I hope he rethinks the "30 Rock" thing- he's a riot on that show.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Well, I remember my mom telling me (at age nine- me, not my mom) how much something I had done had mortified her, and it's one of the rants at me that I still remember to this day- it really affected me. And it wasn't how what I had done was bad for me- it was how it shamed her. And it made me feel terrible about what I'd done. So I can't say, though I do in fact think Baldwin is self-centered, that this rant in particular was evil because it was about how his daughter's behavior affected him-- keep everything in a kid's life about how it affects the kid and I think you wind up with an adult who is only interested in how anything in his or her life affects said adult. Sorry, pgardn, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I just don't see anything different from what lots of parents do.

I guess I see a whole bunch of diff. types of parents than you. My sister stayed out late one night and my Dad said he was worried sick. That he had paced the hallway all night because he was worried about HER. It made a huge impression on my sister because she realized how much she was loved, she in turn was worried about him worrying so much. Its Love.
I have listened to the Baldwin rant well over 10 times now, and if this is how the majority of parents reason with their 11 year olds (you make ME look bad, this is the last time you will humiliate ME) we are in trouble as a nation.

This 11 year old, I wish the best for her. Her parents have put her in a world of deprivation of a whole different kind.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I guess I see a whole bunch of diff. types of parents than you. My sister stayed out late one night and my Dad said he was worried sick. That he had paced the hallway all night because he was worried about HER. It made a huge impression on my sister because she realized how much she was loved, she in turn was worried about him worrying so much. Its Love.
I have listened to the Baldwin rant well over 10 times now, and if this is how the majority of parents reason with their 11 year olds (you make ME look bad, this is the last time you will humiliate ME) we are in trouble as a nation.

This 11 year old, I wish the best for her. Her parents have put her in a world of deprivation of a whole different kind.

I agree that the kid will come out the worst in this (as many kids of divorce do- my husband has had his own issues from his parents' divorce when he was 13), but again, we don't know what she did or didn't do in this- whether she made the choice to avoid his call and for what reason. A court order is a court order. And I say again, kids can be jerks too. (Some of them grow out of it and some grow into jerky adults.) We just don't know the dynamics of their relationship.

Really, in the end, I was most alarmed that he didn't seem to know how old his kid was. Though I remember my grandfather randomly calling out the names of his sons until the one he wanted would turn his head.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I agree that the kid will come out the worst in this (as many kids of divorce do- my husband has had his own issues from his parents' divorce when he was 13), but again, we don't know what she did or didn't do in this- whether she made the choice to avoid his call and for what reason. A court order is a court order. And I say again, kids can be jerks too. (Some of them grow out of it and some grow into jerky adults.) We just don't know the dynamics of their relationship.

Really, in the end, I was most alarmed that he didn't seem to know how old his kid was. Though I remember my grandfather randomly calling out the names of his sons until the one he wanted would turn his head.

You've got that right. I remember when my wife got her first teaching job. She used to come home mortified at the 1st grader's mouths and attitude. Zero respect for adults and a trashy mouth to back it up. She'd tell the parents in their conferences and the parents would just shrug it off and act like it was no big deal that their kid was cursing at the teacher in 1st grade.

It all starts at the top, this girl probably has no chance at a normal life. Her whackadoo parents are going to make sure of that, but let's not assume the child is 100% innocent in this deal. Kids her age are perfectly capable of being quite cruel to their parents.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I guess I see a whole bunch of diff. types of parents than you. My sister stayed out late one night and my Dad said he was worried sick. That he had paced the hallway all night because he was worried about HER. It made a huge impression on my sister because she realized how much she was loved, she in turn was worried about him worrying so much. Its Love.
I have listened to the Baldwin rant well over 10 times now, and if this is how the majority of parents reason with their 11 year olds (you make ME look bad, this is the last time you will humiliate ME) we are in trouble as a nation.

This 11 year old, I wish the best for her. Her parents have put her in a world of deprivation of a whole different kind.

Pgardn,
Lots of interesting ideas are in this thread. I've avoided saying mine.
You're correct on this, about letting children know how much they are loved.
And, right...parents worry.
Now, my take that I heard somewhere, and needed to be reminded during a very bitter divorce with my ex (thank God!), "Divorcing parents are allowed to hate each other as much as they feel the need, but putting that on the child (children) is not the appropriate target."
Some might be better off showing their hatred a little less, and their love a little more.