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Old 07-01-2006, 07:13 PM
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Wow...that is bold...the great thing is that we will find this out in the King's Bishop...good luck because TMB will need it to beat the monster that I saw run today...Wow!
Too Much Bling looked even better in the Bay Shore ... blitzing away from the still-green Songster. But tables can be turned ... as we saw in the Woody.

One race does not a champion make ... but Henny Hughes has proven back-class ... so he's likely for real if he holds together.
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Old 07-01-2006, 07:15 PM
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I lean to Bling at this point, but Songster's last two were huge.
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Old 07-01-2006, 07:23 PM
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Too Much Bling looked even better in the Bay Shore ... blitzing away from the still-green Songster. But tables can be turned ... as we saw in the Woody.

One race does not a champion make ... but Henny Hughes has proven back-class ... so he's likely for real if he holds together.
TMB had a bad post and got a bad ride in the Woody Stephens, he was also coming off of a huge top on the Sheets, he'll be much better next time and I believe he's the best 3yo sprinter, got to love the Ohio Bred....
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Old 07-01-2006, 07:32 PM
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Henny Hughes today looked awesome. Yes it was a small field and not the best sprinters in the country, but the way he moved with such quick, powerful strides and the ease of the effort and fast final time. My gosh that was impressive.
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Old 07-02-2006, 08:38 AM
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Bruce Headley , Art Sherman and Bob Baffert have afew quick ones in their barns. Maybe they will run into each other and if they do my money is on Headleys horse.
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:22 AM
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The field that was entered in the race yesterday and the field that showed up were two completely different stories ( always is these days ). The two other talented horses in the race besides Henny Hughes scratched and left it a lopsided and one horse affair. Getting all giddy about this race is just a tad premature. It's hardly surprising he ran a big race against this non-competition in his return. He was a very good horse last year.

But, at least he did run well and hopefully will continue to run well. The more good horses the merrier. But excuse me if I'm not ready to annoint him a champion off one race. However, considering his 2YO form, it will hardly be a shocker if he has a very big second half.

I agree that his best races will be sprinting, perhaps up to a mile, and I'm not sure what the obsession is with stretching horses out. But, he did run very well in the BC juvenile, so I guess it's not impossible. It just feels like a case where it would be nice to see him run in spots that accentuate his strength....which is sprinting.

Did somebody actually call Patrick Biancone a clown in this thread? How many Arcs did he win?
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Old 07-07-2006, 10:10 PM
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Afrashad...if he holds together..

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Old 07-01-2006, 07:56 PM
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Too Much Bling looked even better in the Bay Shore ... blitzing away from the still-green Songster. But tables can be turned ... as we saw in the Woody.

One race does not a champion make ... but Henny Hughes has proven back-class ... so he's likely for real if he holds together.
I like Too Much Bling but think he is more of a 7 panel animal than 3/4s....his Bay Shore can't be taken away from him but it was in the slop, so I chose not to get too excited about it...I think Songster is better than TMB now, but I think 'Henny' and Keyed entry are both better than those pair...just my opinion...
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Old 07-01-2006, 08:56 PM
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I swear that was not Henny Hughes in that race. That had to be some other horse. If you cant tell, I am kidding. It is amazing how much that animal has matured since I last saw him. He really looks like a completely different horse. I dont think they will keep HH sprinting. I think they will try and stretch him out after the KB. Remember he did finish 2nd in the BCJ.

Joe Brave said in the interview after the on HRTV--I am paraprhasing here - That was just a workout for HH. A workout in 1:08:1 - WOW.
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Old 07-01-2006, 09:04 PM
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Too Much Bling can run with any horse. Lost in the Fog should not be discounted. The horse has lost a big race and he is trashed. Ridiculous. Everyone knows how talented the horse is. Patience. He is not over-the-hill at 4.
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Old 07-01-2006, 09:06 PM
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I swear that was not Henny Hughes in that race. That had to be some other horse. If you cant tell, I am kidding. It is amazing how much that animal has matured since I last saw him. He really looks like a completely different horse. I dont think they will keep HH sprinting. I think they will try and stretch him out after the KB. Remember he did finish 2nd in the BCJ.

Joe Brave said in the interview after the on HRTV--I am paraprhasing here - That was just a workout for HH. A workout in 1:08:1 - WOW.
Yeah, but that was around one turn (the BC Juvy)....trust me, he will remain sprinting....if I have to drive to New York and force Kiaran to continue around one turn I will do so (just kidding - he is a smart enough trainer to understand that he is sitting on one of the best sprinters in the land)...I seriously doubt he'll out smart himself and stretch this horse out...I really don't...the Sheiks have plenty of horses that will go long....Discreet Cat, Bernardini, Invasor, Jazil, Electrocutionist and the list goes on....Songster is there only bona fide sprinter (funny when you can say 'only'..LOL)...

Also, Bravo is right...that looked like a workout...he never had to really get busy or work hard for it...he is that good of a mover and that naturally brilliant....this horse is SCARY good...

I hope Prado gets back on for the King's Bishop and not Bravo or Jara....no offense, but the BC Sprint is a tough race to win and I want the best aboard...
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Old 07-02-2006, 12:42 AM
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Yeah, but that was around one turn (the BC Juvy)....trust me, he will remain sprinting....if I have to drive to New York and force Kiaran to continue around one turn I will do so (just kidding - he is a smart enough trainer to understand that he is sitting on one of the best sprinters in the land)...I seriously doubt he'll out smart himself and stretch this horse out...I really don't...the Sheiks have plenty of horses that will go long....Discreet Cat, Bernardini, Invasor, Jazil, Electrocutionist and the list goes on....Songster is there only bona fide sprinter (funny when you can say 'only'..LOL)...

Also, Bravo is right...that looked like a workout...he never had to really get busy or work hard for it...he is that good of a mover and that naturally brilliant....this horse is SCARY good...

I hope Prado gets back on for the King's Bishop and not Bravo or Jara....no offense, but the BC Sprint is a tough race to win and I want the best aboard...
Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt he go two turns at Saratoga as a two year old? I really think KM will stretch him out. Just think, in the classic he will have the speed and the closer. That is a pretty good combo--if both of them make it to the BC.
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Old 07-02-2006, 12:51 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt he go two turns at Saratoga as a two year old? I really think KM will stretch him out. Just think, in the classic he will have the speed and the closer. That is a pretty good combo--if both of them make it to the BC.
Actually dude, you are wrong. The only two-turn baby races at Sar are on grass. Henny won the Sar Special at 6f, then ran second in the Hopeful at 7f..

As far as I know, this horse has never gone around two turns, and I doubt he ever will. I'm with Cunningham. He's a very fast sprinter..

The Classic? That seems pretty unlikely to me.

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Old 07-02-2006, 12:53 AM
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Yeah dude, you're wrong. Only two-turn baby races at Sar are on grass. Henny won the Sar Special at 6f, then ran second in the Hopeful at 7f..

As far as I know, this horse has never been two turns, and I doubt he ever will. I'm with Cunningham. He's a very fast sprinter..

The Classic? Riiight.
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:50 AM
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Songster and Henny Hughes aren't the only potential top sprinters from Godolphin. The Sheiks also have Afrashad who won an allowance on Belmont Day in 108.1 after breaking poorly. He's entered in the eighth at Monmouth on Tuesday. Bravo aboard. Their stable is absolutely loaded right now. Bernardini, Jazil, Henny, Songster, Invasor, Discreet Cat and the list goes on.
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Old 07-07-2006, 10:16 PM
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Songster and Henny Hughes aren't the only potential top sprinters from Godolphin. The Sheiks also have Afrashad who won an allowance on Belmont Day in 108.1 after breaking poorly. He's entered in the eighth at Monmouth on Tuesday. Bravo aboard. Their stable is absolutely loaded right now. Bernardini, Jazil, Henny, Songster, Invasor, Discreet Cat and the list goes on.
Afrashad is good...I agree, but after watching his wheels on the Belmont undercard I would be suspect that they will have a good challenge on their hands of keeping that one sound.....OUCH! You have to be pretty close to 100% to win the BC Sprint and I just don't think this horse can be based on what I have seen of his action - by the time he gets to CD in November....we'll see....the Vanderbilt appears to be his acid test...he is certainly fast....hope he stays together...
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Old 07-08-2006, 02:32 AM
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It's impossible for me to get overly excited by Henny Hughes.

He's a very nice horse who did what very nice horses are supposed to do to a small field overmatched field on a on lightning fast racetrack. He crushed them.

Lets see what he does when he meets other graded winners.

Lets see what happens when he has to fight to get the trip he wants.

Lets see what he has left in the last 1/16th when he's challenged throughout a race.

I've been watching races and horses a very long time and there's no easier trap to fall into than the horse that wins off easily over inferior competition.

The acid test is not the Vanderbilt, though it figures a far tougher race than the Monmouth romp. The acid test is in November in Louisville.
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Old 07-01-2006, 11:37 PM
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As my myriad of clients well know I've been on this one since he broke his maiden for that clown Biancone. (the guy is a menace SOS/LH).

Doubt his best work, or value, will be in sprints. 1, 1/8th around two turns should be just fine.

Don't know what the rush is to be throwing out phrases like "best sprinter of the year" at this time.
Evidentally you must not have spent too much time around this colt because you couldn't hall this horse 1 1/8-miles around two-turns IMO...he is clearly a sprinter....he is by Hennessy out of a Meadowlake mare...what more do I have to say...6 furlongs to a one-turn mile will be his game and he will be more vulnerable the further he goes.....horses with his early brilliance simply just don't stretch out too far....it just doesn't happen...his cruising speed is so brilliant that there is no way he'd hold up going that far.....he was made to be a sprinter...plain and simple...
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Old 07-02-2006, 10:00 AM
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As my myriad of clients well know I've been on this one since he broke his maiden for that clown Biancone. (the guy is a menace SOS/LH).

Doubt his best work, or value, will be in sprints. 8/9 F around two turns should be just fine. Definitely better @ 7/8ths than shorter.

Don't know what the rush is to be throwing out phrases like "best sprinter of the year" at this time. All these opinions are absolutely worthless.
What is your problem with Biancone? do tell.
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Old 07-02-2006, 10:07 AM
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Thanks for reposting that. I couldn't remember who said that.

I love those little acronyms ( SOS/LH? ). I'm sure I'm just internet ignorant, and everybody knows what they mean, as I can't believe they would just be some cowardly way to put down somebody who has actually accomplished something in this game....other than masquerading on the internet.
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