Graded Earnings: Is there an alternative?

[Linny]

I read a post on another board about someone regretting Tiago keeping Chelokee out. What a crock. Both trainers did the same thing. The put all their eggs in one basket by using ONE GRADED START to attempt to earn their way in. Tiago was lucky in that his connections chose a pretty weak race. Chelokee had to face a proven G1 colt like Scat Daddy and could do no better than third. Maybe the should have gone to Cali or the Lane's End, they didn't.

I tend to think that a point system where graded earnings at 3 are worth more than those at 2 and where routes count for more than sprints. That said, it looks like this year, pretty much " the right 20" will line up.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Linny

I read a post on another board about someone regretting Tiago keeping Chelokee out. What a crock. Both trainers did the same thing. The put all their eggs in one basket by using ONE GRADED START to attempt to earn their way in. Tiago was lucky in that his connections chose a pretty weak race. Chelokee had to face a proven G1 colt like Scat Daddy and could do no better than third. Maybe the should have gone to Cali or the Lane's End, they didn't.

I tend to think that a point system where graded earnings at 3 are worth more than those at 2 and where routes count for more than sprints. That said, it looks like this year, pretty much " the right 20" will line up.

don't forget smarty jones--talk about putting your eggs in one basket. his ark derby was his ONLY graded race. so by some folks logic, he should have been excluded?! howl utterly preposterous!!

the rules are the same for everyone leading up to the derby. your horse doesn't get enough graded $--tough. he does? great. you hit the jackpot.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by Danzig

don't forget smarty jones--talk about putting your eggs in one basket. his ark derby was his ONLY graded race. so by some folks logic, he should have been excluded?! howl utterly preposterous!!

the rules are the same for everyone leading up to the derby. your horse doesn't get enough graded $--tough. he does? great. you hit the jackpot.

Does Smarty take the Arkansas route if a point system was in play.....prob not. Looking into the past isnt viable.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Does Smarty take the Arkansas route if a point system was in play.....prob not. Looking into the past isnt viable.

what is past is prologue....


if if if , what is there to be gained.
there is no points system, the system is in place, and everyone knows what it is. if or when it changes, i'm sure everyone will adjust.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Exactly. I am curious as to who might be excluded and more deserving for a Derby slot with Tiago in. It looks as though Chelokee might get in, so I can't think of anyone else that should get in over one of the possible runners.

I cant answer that right now. I dont know what the top 20 are and who is actually going in the Derby. I will glady answer this question when I have more information.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So then why are you so against this guy running Euro? You basically have no arguement.

I am not against him running. I was using him as an example of a horse who will get in because he got lucky in one race. My stance is that horses who have complete resumes should be given more consideration over a horse who gets lucky in one Grade I race regardless of who the horse is.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I am not against him running. I was using him as an example of a horse who will get in because he got lucky in one race. My stance is that horses who have complete resumes should be given more consideration over a horse who gets lucky in one Grade I race regardless of who the horse is.

What exactly is Xchanger's complete resume? 5th in an ungraded stakes and 7th in a G3 as a 3yo? Much more impressive than winning a G1.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

What exactly is Xchanger's complete resume? 5th in an ungraded stakes and 7th in a G3 as a 3yo? Much more impressive than winning a G1.

He has raced in 5 Graded events. He has won 1, two 3rds 6th and 7th. So he has been in the battles. Not saying he is better than Tiago, saying that looking at the entire body of work his is better in my opinion.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by whodey17

He has raced in 5 Graded events. He has won 1, two 3rds 6th and 7th. So he has been in the battles. Not saying he is better than Tiago, saying that looking at the entire body of work his is better in my opinion.

So you want to let any 2yo that ran well into the Derby even if he is running terrible as a 3yo rather than a horse that wins a major race as a 3yo? That is idiocy. Should we let Funny Cide in the BC Classic because his lifetime body of work is better than most horses out there?

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thankfully you have no say on who is in or out. I suppose the lucky thing is valid, only because he hasn't had the opportunity to prove you wrong. He might develop into a very good 3 year old. Maybe not, but like I said his potential and upside is so much more than that of Sam P, X Changer and others on your list, especially since he has beaten some on your list, while making just his 4th start.

He may turn out to be very good and I hope he does. I am just saying that 1 race should not get you a guaranteed spot in the Derby. Imagine if that maiden who ran in the Arkansas Derby won, then he would be in. How is that logical.