Who will show drastic improvement in the Derby?

[Thoroughbred Fan]

The answer is the even running plodder who can't win at 8-9f but can run his same slow speed all day. Find that horse and you'll have the longshot who makes the trifecta. As for winning, it'll be one of the seven or so that have been highly regarded on the trail up to the race.

[pmayjr]

T-bred fan....
Based on what you just said- Zanjero?

[Thoroughbred Fan]

I think that is possible. Zanjero has been a horse people have wanted to bet based on price and improvement angle. He does look like he can run all day. So, yeah he might be the one.

[JJP]

If you need "drastic improvement" going into the Derby, you shouldnt be running in it.

[k9styl94]

Who rides Zanjero now?
Now since Gomez jumps to a Pletcher horse, Any Given Saturday.
Who is Asmussen go to guy?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by k9styl94

Who rides Zanjero now?
Now since Gomez jumps to a Pletcher horse, Any Given Saturday.
Who is Asmussen go to guy?

That could be Bridgmohan, he's won aboard Zanjero before and I think Asmussen knew he was taking the risk of losing Gomez when he gave him a leg up on Saturday.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

That could be Bridgmohan, he's won aboard Zanjero before and I think Asmussen knew he was taking the risk of losing Gomez when he gave him a leg up on Saturday.

NT

If Sean Bridgemohan wins the Derby it could jeopardize Jean Cruget's stranglehold on worst jockey to ever win the Derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by JJP

If you need "drastic improvement" going into the Derby, you shouldnt be running in it.

If that was the case. from a speed figure standpoint anyway, there would be not a single horse running in the race.

As par for the race is 110 on the Beyer Scale, and Curlin's top figure of 103 puts him 4 1/4 lengths shy of par.

[jpops757]

Dominican would be the most drastic possobility. After a break to adjust his sexual preferance ,he has hit the track running and Miller has eased him into the derby picture. My concern is he a cushion track horse. Number 2 is Curlin. As good as he has performed it just looks like he is a lot of horse and he has room to improve based on his light careere. Tiago is another that I think could still show improvement. Did the light come on or will he revert back to an ordinary horse?

[SniperSB23]

Tiago and Zanjero seem most likely to me, both should like the extra furlong more than others may and both seem to be improving. I don't know that they are quite fast enough to win but I bet both put up new career high Beyers in the Derby.

Any Given Saturday seems the horse most likely to be able to move way up and run a 108-110 Beyer that should be enough to win the race. He could also be a total non-factor.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If that was the case. from a speed figure standpoint anyway, there would be not a single horse running in the race.

As par for the race is 110 on the Beyer Scale, and Curlin's top figure of 103 puts him 4 1/4 lengths shy of par.

It doesn't matter what par is. All you can do is see how you stack up against the others. When Giacomo won, I don't think he made any considerable move forward; just many horses regressed. If nobody can route a 105 Beyer, then you have to anticipate a Beyer for the Derby winner to likely be under 110. And if you've been running 88s or 87s even in a weak year, you better forget about the Derby.