BEYER: Poly's Anti-Speed Bias

[blackthroatedwind]

The simple fact is that in every thread here that involves Beyer you cannot help but write some version of the same post criticizing Beyer. You are certainly entitled to your opinions but those of us that disagree, or notice this habit of yours, are also entitled to respond in kind. Your initial post in this thread made assumptions that you do not have any actual knowledge about and made comments which were unrelated to the specific content of the thread. You don't like Beyer. Get in line. You're not forming your own line, as you are part of a great deal of internet hotshots that do the same thing, so please don't present yourself as a leader.

Funny, I read a lot of posts similar to yours on the internet, yet in my many years spent at the racetrack I have never seen ANYONE express these same thoughts to his face. I HAVE seen hundreds, if not thousands, of people compliment him. I wonder why that is.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The simple fact is that in every thread here that involves Beyer you cannot help but write some version of the same post criticizing Beyer. You are certainly entitled to your opinions but those of us that disagree, or notice this habit of yours, are also entitled to respond in kind. Your initial post in this thread made assumptions that you do not have any actual knowledge about and made comments which were unrelated to the specific content of the thread. You don't like Beyer. Get in line. You're not forming your own line, as you are part of a great deal of internet hotshots that do the same thing, so please don't present yourself as a leader.

Funny, I read a lot of posts similar to yours on the internet, yet in my many years spent at the racetrack I have never seen ANYONE express these same thoughts to his face. I HAVE seen hundreds, if not thousands, of people compliment him. I wonder why that is.

Again, your confused. I never said anything negative about Andy the person or player. I criticize the importance you and millions of others put into Beyers, not Andy Beyer the person. I have no problem going face to face with anyone, and discuss the theories of anything. I read every book Andy wrote, and I like them all, so this is not a personal attack on Mr. Beyer. People post about Beyers, and I counter with my dislike. I think they should know, don't get caught up in the beyer syndrome, it isn't a magic wand for capping horse races. You can't find one thread I started about beyers, or Andy Beyers the person, just replies to people who talk about them all the time, like they are water in a desert.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Again, your confused. I never said anything negative about Andy the person or player. I criticize the importance you and millions of others put into Beyers, not Andy Beyer the person. I have no problem going face to face with anyone, and discuss the theories of anything. I read every book Andy wrote, and I like them all, so this is not a personal attack on Mr. Beyer. People post about Beyers, and I counter with my dislike. I think they should know, don't get caught up in the beyer syndrome, it isn't a magic wand for capping horse races. You can't find one thread I started about beyers, or Andy Beyers the person, just replies to people who talk about them all the time, like they are water in a desert.

I guess it was the first post of yours in THIS thread, which contradicts your thoughts in the above post, that threw me off.

Originally Posted by MisterB

So Andy is frustrated he can't pick a winner, so he is whining to all the public. Everyone has the same perspective as he does. Anyway, when did Andy last pick a derby winner?? I can't seem to remember.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess it was the first post of yours in THIS thread, which contradicts your thoughts in the above post, that threw me off.

As you know, that remark is a long time joke about Andy and the Derby. I bet you even give him a shot here and there.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MisterB

As you know, that remark is a long time joke about Andy and the Derby. I bet you even give him a shot here and there.

No, what it is is a direct contradiction to claiming you never said anything about him as a player ( as is the rest of your post ).

And, once again, no I don't " give him a shot here and there " about such a nonsensical thought. Please, don't assume to know things, as that just veers off into areas you can't possibly know about.

I wouldn't joke with Mr. Beyer either. He's serious business.

[blackthroatedwind]

And, by the way, " the importance that I put in the Beyers "? I have stated here many times that Beyer speed figures are a very small part of my handicapping and that, at best, I use them as a guide. Since you obviously have taken little, or no, notice to my posts about handicapping it seems pretty presumptuous of you to make these comments. What this really seems to be is an example of you posting whatever suits your agenda with little regard to truth.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And, by the way, " the importance that I put in the Beyers "? I have stated here many times that Beyer speed figures are a very small part of my handicapping and that, at best, I use them as a guide. Since you obviously have taken little, or no, notice to my posts about handicapping it seems pretty presumptuous of you to make these comments. What this really seems to be is an example of you posting whatever suits your agenda with little regard to truth.

When you start a thread off with Beyers for Sat, you throw me off, and it appears you have a one track mind, giving less credence in your handicapping threads. I think most of the younger kids on here, also start off with Beyer reports too! Now you have me confused as hell. My agenda is simply, toss the beyers, has been, and always has been. I have not waffled one bit.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by MisterB

When you start a thread off with Beyers for Sat, you throw me off, and it appears you have a one track mind, giving less credence in your handicapping threads. I think most of the younger kids on here, also start off with Beyer reports too! Now you have me confused as hell. My agenda is simply, toss the beyers, has been, and always has been. I have not waffled one bit.

I believe he (or anyone who does thier own) was asked for them...I'm sorry BTW that all your credibility was lost by my silly question.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MisterB

When you start a thread off with Beyers for Sat, you throw me off, and it appears you have a one track mind, giving less credence in your handicapping threads. I think most of the younger kids on here, also start off with Beyer reports too! Now you have me confused as hell. My agenda is simply, toss the beyers, has been, and always has been. I have not waffled one bit.

Who ever said you waffled? You claimed you hadn't done something that you clearly did. That's not waffling.....it's being deceptive ( to be kind ).

I posted the Beyer numbers as a service to people that asked for them...as Sightseek pointed out. They were not posted yet at DRF when I got up yesterday, so I called Beyer and asked them for the numbers, and posted them here because people had already asked about them, as they do every week. I apologize if my providing information that was asked for, and not readily available, confused you. Now, perhaps, you won't make this mistake in the future.

[blackthroatedwind]

And, furthermore, saying that my posting the Beyer numbers somehow gave " less credence " to my posts about handicapping is total BS.

[whodey17]

I like when people post info that is not yet available. Keep up the good work for those who post info before it is made public.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Who ever said you waffled? You claimed you hadn't done something that you clearly did. That's not waffling.....it's being deceptive ( to be kind ).

I posted the Beyer numbers as a service to people that asked for them...as Sightseek pointed out. They were not posted yet at DRF when I got up yesterday, so I called Beyer and asked them for the numbers, and posted them here because people had already asked about them, as they do every week. I apologize if my providing information that was asked for, and not readily available, confused you. Now, perhaps, you won't make this mistake in the future.

10-4, I won't, I'll assume it for now on. Wonder why these people are asking for a beyer, I guess they don't read your handicappin then.

[nebrady]

Whats great about america is the right to free speach. Just because mister B doesn't agree with what beyer says doesn't mean he dislikes him. Truth is that the race was run on the poly for the first time. Until the derby is run who really knows what affect it will have. It amazes me how people on dt love to trash a horse or person. I remember when discreet cat got beat in dubai, how people started to call him garbage. One race doesn't make a horse and along that lines one person statements don't tell the whole truth. Thats what make america and dt great, the right to free speach and the right to voice it!

[Mortimer]

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[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by nebrady

Whats great about america is the right to free speach. Just because mister B doesn't agree with what beyer says doesn't mean he dislikes him. Truth is that the race was run on the poly for the first time. Until the derby is run who really knows what affect it will have. It amazes me how people on dt love to trash a horse or person. I remember when discreet cat got beat in dubai, how people started to call him garbage. One race doesn't make a horse and along that lines one person statements don't tell the whole truth. Thats what make america and dt great, the right to free speach and the right to voice it!

I agree with what you're saying. It always has to be black and white, great or garbage. It can never be nuanced or grey.

since we have all this free speech, let me ask you a question about your post.

Is it really true that someone referred to Discreet Cat as garbage? I missed that one. It does seem a bit harsh.

[nebrady]

Don't remember the exact words, but they weren't kind to the cat. He loses one race and people think hes done. They get mad because they lost money betting on him. When looking at him before the big race, you should have been a little wary of betting him he missed his prep. But just because he lost that race, shouldn't take away what he has done. Hopefully he will recover and come back the horse he was.