Is Curlin being overrated by the margins over nothing horses?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Not trying to be a smartass, but which high caliber trainers have NEVER cheated, ever?? My guess is some have never been caught. I know Pletcher, Asmussen, O'Neill have all cheated so that's a large chunk of the Derby field right there. Which ones NEVER cheat??

Well... the likely 2nd choice is trained by a guy who has won the Derby and the BC Classic and he's never been suspended.

[tanner12oz]

no chance to hit the board first saturday in may

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

no chance to hit the board first saturday in may

Because?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

no chance to hit the board first saturday in may

NO chance at the board?

[PPerfectfan]

I think Curlin maybe the Bellamy Road of this year. And I think Dominican maybe the "wiseguy" horse of the Derby that always takes lots of money and doesnt light the board. jmo I am sticking with Street Sense. And I like Nobiz/Zanjero/AGS for the bottom slots/super.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Title of the thread says it all "Is Curlin being overrated by the margins over nothing horses?"...

Yes, he is...much like Bellamy Road was for being a 17 1/2 length winner in the Wood. I pray Curlin is the favorite on Derby Day, he might cash in on a lesser prize, but he is not winning.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Title of the thread says it all "Is Curlin being overrated by the margins over nothing horses?"...

Yes, he is...much like Bellamy Road was for being a 17 1/2 length winner in the Wood. I pray Curlin is the favorite on Derby Day, he might cash in on a lesser prize, but he is not winning.

okay, why is he not winning?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

okay, why is he not winning?

didn't you see, he doesn't have a shot at hitting the board?!

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

okay, why is he not winning?

Just a few things I dont like about him, Jim. He is running in to the Derby on two preps, which I like to lean against. He is coming off wins against mainly allowance horses, with the exception of Teufselberg and Officer Rocket. I don't believe in the angle that "he beat what he faced". Granted, it's not his fault if no credible threats were against him, but I firmly believe you have to be tested before you peak. This horse hasnt been tested. His shortest margin of victory is 5 1/4 lengths, I believe. Reminds me of Bernardini's summer program and then going eye to eye with Invasor. Everyone was pitching tents about Bernardini and his BC Classic cornonation (except you Jim, if I remember correctly) and as we saw, he got tested and he backed out.

I do like his pedigree though, so down the line I think he is a viable threat maybe in the summer and into a possible 4 yr old campaign, just don't like him in the Derby, especially as a possible favorite. Far too much value elsewhere, with horses who are more polished than Curlin.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

okay, why is he not winning?

Also, my apologies for not leaving a rationale for why he wasn't winning before...girlfriend was lurking around asking questions while I was posting.
Got me distracted.