Dominican

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, he is 2-2 since being gelded.

He is a total toss in the Derby.

Who isn't?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

That isn't really horse racing......

Can you imagine if they run the Breeders Cup over that joke of a surface?

The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finishers in the Commonwealth all exited one-mile turf races in there last start.

Than you have the Blue Grass....where a horse gets off with an uncontested lead through 26 and 51 fractions, and can't run a straight line through the stretch....while a deep closer rallies past two serious Derby horses to win.

How exactly did the 4th place finisher not get DQ'ed....once Prado started hitting him left handed, he came out SEVERAL paths, and clearly fouled Great Hunter. That was pretty amusing.....it made the whole race look even more absurd than it was in the first place.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That isn't really horse racing......

Can you imagine if they run the Breeders Cup over that joke of a surface?

The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finishers in the Commonwealth all exited one-mile turf races in there last start.

Than you have the Blue Grass....where a horse gets off with an uncontested lead through 26 and 51 fractions, and can't run a straight line through the stretch....while a deep closer rallies past two serious Derby horses to win.

How exactly did the 4th place finisher not get DQ'ed....once Prado started hitting him left handed, he came out SEVERAL paths, and clearly fouled Great Hunter. That was pretty amusing.....it made the whole race look even more absurd than it was in the first place.

Cory was on Great Hunter and he said after the race that "it was no big deal", Great Hunter appeared finished anyway but it sure looked bad on TV.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Cory was on Great Hunter and he said after the race that "it was no big deal", Great Hunter appeared finished anyway but it sure looked bad on TV.

Well he could have complained and given me the difference in his 10% cut. I thought T should have come down too.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Cory was on Great Hunter and he said after the race that "it was no big deal", Great Hunter appeared finished anyway but it sure looked bad on TV.

Obviously the rider will say that....his horse clearly wasn't winning, and getting moved up from 5th to 4th means nothing to him.....and probably nothing to any bettors either---except those played the superfecta.

That is a no doubt about it DQ....you can't come out several paths and foul a horse like that....and not come down.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Obviously the rider will say that....his horse clearly wasn't winning, and getting moved up from 5th to 4th means nothing to him.....and probably nothing to any bettors either---except those played the superfecta.

That is a no doubt about it DQ....you can't come out several paths and foul a horse like that....and not come down.

Obviously you are wrong cause he wasn't taken down!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Obviously you are wrong cause he wasn't taken down!

Teuflesberg should have been taken down... clearly. Great Hunter probably wasn't winning either way, but being bumped like that didn't help.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I guess you had a "little guy" Kentucky trainer 4th and a "big name" California trainer 5th....but the stewards can't forget there was a superfecta in that race.

I guess Fifth-Third bank and a very tiny fraction of superfecta players were affected any by it...and no one else.

What's ironic is, how stewards NOTORIOUSLY focus and overrate on fouls commited in the stretch run--as opposed to fouls commited in the early stages of races (when the impact is more severe)

However, in a race where they go 26 and 51 early on---and get the last 3/8ths in 34 and change---getting fouled in the stretch run is more severe than getting fouled in the early stages.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I guess you had a "little guy" Kentucky trainer 4th and a "big name" California trainer 5th....but the stewards can't forget there was a superfecta in that race.

I guess Fifth-Third bank and a very tiny fraction of superfecta players were affected any by it...and no one else.

What's ironic is, how stewards NOTORIOUSLY focus and overrate on fouls commited in the stretch run--as opposed to fouls commited in the early stages of races (when the impact is more severe)

However, in a race where they go 26 and 51 early on---and get the last 3/8ths in 34 and change---getting fouled in the stretch run is more severe than getting fouled in the early stages.

All kidding aside, I agree it sure looked like a foul to me too! By the way, they announced on TV that the owner of Great Hunter had reached an out-of-court settlement with the bank so possibly it no longer mattered to them. Great Hunter is safely in the Derby field so the only ones effected were the exotic betters...still, sure looked like a foul!

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That isn't really horse racing......

Can you imagine if they run the Breeders Cup over that joke of a surface?...

Thought about that the other day. Do they run Breeder's Cup in Calif. ever? Is it just a matter of time before they run one on poly?

Yeah it sounds bad...

[todko]

Frankly, I think if they run this race again on any surface Dominican beats these again. Probably with ease.

Great Hunter is a poorly conditioned horse. Sure, he was banged around slightly. He had nothing left either way.

And Street Sense was trying to win. Could be over-rated or just plain shot from a tough effort coming off a long layoff. Horse had to have issues in the first place to be laying off since November.

Dominican would have beaten these by 10 if he had another furlong.

I wouldn't be surprised to see either SS or GH (or both) bow out of the Derby.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by todko

I wouldn't be surprised to see either SS or GH (or both) bow out of the Derby.

Perhaps the most utterly ridiculous comment in the history of the internet.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Perhaps the most utterly ridiculous comment in the history of the internet.

Perhaps you missed his Jazil was the decades best Belmont winner comment a few months earlier?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I have to assume the Beyer figure for Domincan will come back in the high 80's or low 90's.

My Typhoon, who came from mid-pack into the teeth of 50 and change fractions, ran a final time that represents a figure 13 points faster.

Perhaps the Bluegrass figure will be inflated a little by the figure maker because of the comically slow pace....though it was far from the only very slow pace at KEE yesterday.

Curlin's number should come back in the 104-to-107 range...which will make him the horse with the top figure around two-turns come Derby day.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Perhaps you missed his Jazil was the decades best Belmont winner comment a few months earlier?

i missed that, but will laugh now, since i couldn't then....

[Kasept]

Here's the link to listen to trainer Darrin Miller, who I've talked to several times since Lane's End Day. Dominican should not be dismissed as a Poly horse. He's had a variety of issues in his PP's including the entrapped testicle/ridgling scenario restricting his stride and Robby Albarado restricting his success.. This is a very nice horse.

Miller starts the segment..
http://www.attheracesandbeyond.com/stream/41307b.mp3

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Here's the link to listen to trainer Darrin Miller, who I've talked to several times since Lane's End Day. Dominican should not be dismissed as a Poly horse. He's had a variety of issues in his PP's including the entrapped testicle/ridgling scenario restricting his stride and Robby Albarado restricting his success.. This is a very nice horse.

Miller starts the segment..
http://www.attheracesandbeyond.com/stream/41307b.mp3

Listening to you Sat AM reinforced my feelings on the Bluegrass and made me mor confidant in using him for a single in my pk 4. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Kasept

Perhaps the most utterly ridiculous comment in the history of the internet.

In fairness there once were people touting Tapit for the derby.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by todko

Frankly, I think if they run this race again on any surface Dominican beats these again. Probably with ease.

Great Hunter is a poorly conditioned horse. Sure, he was banged around slightly. He had nothing left either way.

And Street Sense was trying to win. Could be over-rated or just plain shot from a tough effort coming off a long layoff. Horse had to have issues in the first place to be laying off since November.

Dominican would have beaten these by 10 if he had another furlong.

I wouldn't be surprised to see either SS or GH (or both) bow out of the Derby.

Lucky for you he will get to prove your point in 3 weeks. There will be another furlong. I will be shocked if SS or GH bow out.

So, do you think this is the year that the Bluegrass produces a Ky Derby winner?