Real Derby Contenders

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

I am not even going to try and get into a knowledgable conversation with you, please try and refrain from ruining a good conversation here

what is your problem ?

Any given saturday did not progress in the wood, how did he progess ? you said your look for horses to progress, i just asked you a question, and you respond this way ?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

what is your problem ?

Any given saturday did not progress in the wood, how did he progess ? you said your look for horses to progress, i just asked you a question, and you respond this way ?

READ my response, he is PROGRESSING in Thorograph terms. His last race in the wood was better then it looked, he ran about 10 furlongs if you figure in ground loss

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

READ my response, he is PROGRESSING in Thorograph terms. His last race in the wood was better then it looked, he ran about 10 furlongs if you figure in ground loss

alright..... but he already couldnt defeat street sense

going into the street sense race he had a prep and a race over a tampa bay track that some horse dont handle.... if he was going to beat him it would have been that day


then he dosent beat nobiz, who was rank the whole trip

i just dont see him running well in the derby, im wrong alot though
but i have felt this way about him for a long time even before the tampa bay derby, and before the wood, i never thought he'd run well in kentucky

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

alright..... but he already couldnt defeat street sense

going into the street sense race he had a prep and a race over a tampa bay track that some horse dont handle.... if he was going to beat him it would have been that day


then he dosent beat nobiz, who was rank the whole trip

i just dont see him running well in the derby, im wrong alot though
but i have felt this way about him for a long time even before the tampa bay derby, and before the wood, i never thought he'd run well in kentucky

Nobiz wasn't rank the whole trip.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nobiz wasn't rank the whole trip.

ok at the start of the race and the middle of the race...

[POINTGIVEN1985]

i guess the whole point of me posting was because i dont see anything near 1.08, and thats why i like nobiz so much, i think he will sit right off a 1.10 and have enough left late to get it done.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i guess the whole point of me posting was because i dont see anything near 1.08, and thats why i like nobiz so much, i think he will sit right off a 1.10 and have enough left late to get it done.

What makes you think Nobiz isn't going to pull a move like he's done before and wear himself out? Going 10 panels is a lot for a horse that literally cooks himself.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i guess the whole point of me posting was because i dont see anything near 1.08, and thats why i like nobiz so much, i think he will sit right off a 1.10 and have enough left late to get it done.

Kid, I think we have established that you like Nobiz Like Showbiz in the Derby this year.
If you could limit the number of posts devoted to this topic to say.....maybe.....35 a day.....I personally would appreciate it.
Thanks.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nobiz wasn't rank the whole trip.

Pointing out all of his mistakes is a full-time job.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Pointing out all of his mistakes is a full-time job.

EVERYONE makes mistakes especially here


ppl with nothing better to do point them out, and who are you to say its a mistake he was rank he never seemed to relax

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

EVERYONE makes mistakes especially here


ppl with nothing better to do point them out, and who are you to say its a mistake he was rank he never seemed to relax

Ok, this is phucking hilarious... I'm sorry. First you say that you think Nobiz is going to sit off the pace and have enough late and now you're saying he never relaxed in the Wood. Which is it? If he never relaxed in the Wood (your opinion), what makes you think he's going to relax in the Derby? A rank, out of control and unrelaxed horse is going to have it VERY tough on the first Saturday in May.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

alright..... but he already couldnt defeat street sense

going into the street sense race he had a prep and a race over a tampa bay track that some horse dont handle.... if he was going to beat him it would have been that day


then he dosent beat nobiz, who was rank the whole trip

i just dont see him running well in the derby, im wrong alot though
but i have felt this way about him for a long time even before the tampa bay derby, and before the wood, i never thought he'd run well in kentucky

You don't get it. AGS ran better then SS in the TB Derby also. SS got a rail trip and ran the shortest possible, AGS was 3w and 4w the whole way around, if you switch the trips, AGS wins that race by about 1.5 lengths.

No way AGS was loaded for the Wood, they could care less about it, they got the earnings, and they had him cranked enough for more earnings, he is going to be fully cranked on Derby day

In horse racing, the past means absolutely nothing, especially when talking about things like times and who the beat. Tracks change, and sometimes on a RACE TO RACE basis, so who beat who 4-6 weeks ago doesn't mean much, it is who is best on that day

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

You don't get it. AGS ran better then SS in the TB Derby also. SS got a rail trip and ran the shortest possible, AGS was 3w and 4w the whole way around, if you switch the trips, AGS wins that race by about 1.5 lengths.

No way AGS was loaded for the Wood, they could care less about it, they got the earnings, and they had him cranked enough for more earnings, he is going to be fully cranked on Derby day

In horse racing, the past means absolutely nothing, especially when talking about things like times and who the beat. Tracks change, and sometimes on a RACE TO RACE basis, so who beat who 4-6 weeks ago doesn't mean much, it is who is best on that day

ok

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Scav

You don't get it. AGS ran better then SS in the TB Derby also. SS got a rail trip and ran the shortest possible, AGS was 3w and 4w the whole way around, if you switch the trips, AGS wins that race by about 1.5 lengths.

No way AGS was loaded for the Wood, they could care less about it, they got the earnings, and they had him cranked enough for more earnings, he is going to be fully cranked on Derby day

In horse racing, the past means absolutely nothing, especially when talking about things like times and who the beat. Tracks change, and sometimes on a RACE TO RACE basis, so who beat who 4-6 weeks ago doesn't mean much, it is who is best on that day

I should rephrase this and say "The past means SOMETHING, but it isn't as big as some people make it"

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

I should rephrase this and say "The past means SOMETHING, but it isn't as big as some people make it"

alright i see what your saying, thats what this place is for, for everyone to post there opinions and i do see what your trying to say

Originally Posted by Scav

No way AGS was loaded for the Wood, they could care less about it, they got the earnings, and they had him cranked enough for more earnings, he is going to be fully cranked on Derby day

This always leaves me scratching my head. Like they just wind them up so far and then they wind them up even more. Does the horse know he's only supposed to give so much?

How day do dat?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by easy goer

This always leaves me scratching my head. Like they just wind them up so far and then they wind them up even more. Does the horse know he's only supposed to give so much?

How day do dat?

there are plenty of horses that have ran like crap in their final prep. I personally would do the same thing, I would have the horse at 50% and just get him out their to keep their mind right. I don't know the first thing about training horses but my guess is that they think the race will benefit them just not having their fitness level up, almost letting them race into form, like the old days

Originally Posted by Scav

there are plenty of horses that have ran like crap in their final prep. ...

Okay let's name some and try to determine if they had them "not fully cranked' or maybe they just threw a clunker.

Secretariat, 1973 Wood Memorial.

Think they didnt have him fully cranked?

Oh how about Giacamo? Maybe they dialed him down a notch, you know just so he wouldnt drain the tank before the derby....

Your turn..