Time Squared, can he upset the bluegrass ?

[miraja2]

If he wasn't by FuPeg and out of an AP Indy mare, I don't think anyone would be excited by him. His performances have not been exciting at all.
He is being rushed into this spot in my opinion.
The two favorites in this race are - I believe - the best two 3yos running right now and Great Hunter in particular has already proven his effectiveness on the Poly.
I wouldn't throw a dime at TS.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by miraja2

If he wasn't by FuPeg and out of an AP Indy mare, I don't think anyone would be at all excited by him. His performances have not been exciting at all.
He is being rushed into this spot in my opinion.
The two favorites in this race are - I believe - the best two 3yos running right now and Great Hunter in particular has already proven his effectiveness on the Poly.
I wouldn't throw a dime at TS.

i will say 2 of the top 3, 3 yr olds are in this race i firmly belive the top 3 are nobiz, street sense and great hunter with hard spun a close 4th..... but upsets happen and like you said the breeding is there and i love the connections.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by miraja2

If he wasn't by FuPeg and out of an AP Indy mare, I don't think anyone would be excited by him. His performances have not been exciting at all.
He is being rushed into this spot in my opinion.
The two favorites in this race are - I believe - the best two 3yos running right now and Great Hunter in particular has already proven his effectiveness on the Poly.
I wouldn't throw a dime at TS.

Agree with everything here. (plus it's not every day a NYbred sells for over a million)

Squared is a good looking horse, but he couldn't even win a beauty contest against GH & Street let alone a race.

[blackthroatedwind]

One of the surest signs of a losing horseplayer is someone who marries himself ( or herself ) to horses they have cashed bets on. While some might call it loyalty, what it really is is stupidity, as every race is different, and nobody who sanely looks at the pps for this Blue Grass Stakes can honestly give Time Squared anything even remotely close to an outside chance. He is WAY too slow....period.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One of the surest signs of a losing horseplayer is someone who marries himself ( or herself ) to horses they have cashed bets on. While some might call it loyalty, what it really is is stupidity, as every race is different, and nobody who sanely looks at the pps for this Blue Grass Stakes can honestly give Time Squared anything even remotely close to an outside chance. He is WAY too slow....period.

i dont know if you are directing the above statement towards me, but if you are i never bet Time Squared, he was way to short a price last week, i also never said that i bet him last week, i just thought he was a standout vs the group last week, and as for him being way to slow, thats fine alot bigger upsets have happened.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

i have to respond again, you have to be directing your above statements at me because no one else said they thought he could win, so in that case..... where do you get off calling me a losing horseplayer ? i do pretty good, and latley i have been especialy hot.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i have to respond again, you have to be directing your above statements at me because no one else said they thought he could win, so in that case..... where do you get off calling me a losing horseplayer ? i do pretty good, and latley i have been especialy hot.

Of course you are guilty of this and have demonstrated this tendancy repeatedly on this site. I'm just trying to help you lose less.

Making Tiago your third likeliest Derby winner after you won on him last week was the latest glaring example that comes to mind....after Time Squared that is.

There is a lot of " I want to be a wise guy " disease running rampant and there is, of course, no easier spot to take crazy shots than the internet....the land of no accountability. You aren't a " wise guy " if you pick horses like Time Squared.....you're ridiculous. Being a wise guy is knowing when strong favorites are vulnerable AND when they aren't. Being a " wise guy " is understanding what longshots may be interesting, and why, and not just throwing as much sh1t against the wall as you can and waiting for some of it to stick.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Of course you are guilty of this and have demonstrated this tendancy repeatedly on this site. I'm just trying to help you lose less.

Making Tiago your third likeliest Derby winner after you won on him last week was the latest glaring example that comes to mind....after Time Squared that is.

There is a lot of " I want to be a wise guy " disease running rampant and there is, of course, no easier spot to take crazy shots than the internet....the land of no accountability. You aren't a " wise guy " if you pick horses like Time Squared.....you're ridiculous. Being a wise guy is knowing when strong favorites are vulnerable AND when they aren't. Being a " wise guy " is understanding what longshots may be interesting, and why, and not just throwing as much sh1t against the wall as you can and waiting for some of it to stick.

I NEVER said i was a wise guy, i bet horse's a couple days a week but when i bet, i bet heavy.....i like the horse i think he has a shot, i dont see what your saying as trying to help me, if you were trying to help me i'd take your advice and listen to you, because i know that i am VERY FAR from being perfect, i know im not the best. In my opinion you are accusing me of just picking horses and hoping the run big so i can look good, and that is not what i do. Belive me i would take your advice but dont sit here and try to make me look bad and then say " IM TRYING TO HELP YOU"

[Grits]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is a lot of " I want to be a wise guy " disease running rampant and there is, of course, no easier spot to take crazy shots than the internet....the land of no accountability. You aren't a " wise guy " if you pick horses like Time Squared.....you're ridiculous. Being a wise guy is knowing when strong favorites are vulnerable AND when they aren't. Being a " wise guy " is understanding what longshots may be interesting, and why, and not just throwing as much sh1t against the wall as you can and waiting for some of it to stick.

Alright PG, you and I have talked about this.

Here, look at the words that I've bold faced. He IS, once again, trying to teach you something, he is NOT making fun of you.

Read his lesson and learn what a "wiseguy" is--in terms of the world of professional bettor's parlance. This is what he is explaining to you, for your benefit.

It is a lesson for you to learn, and a good one.

Don't get ragged when he throws up his hands and says, "hell with you."

You are stubborn as a mule, and sometimes, you do convey that you know more than so many that have been at this far longer than yourself.

Even blind pigs find nuggets now and then, but in the meantime, try to be less sensitive. And understand no one is against you--its not the case.

[byalip]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One of the surest signs of a losing horseplayer is someone who marries himself ( or herself ) to horses they have cashed bets on. While some might call it loyalty, what it really is is stupidity, as every race is different, and nobody who sanely looks at the pps for this Blue Grass Stakes can honestly give Time Squared anything even remotely close to an outside chance. He is WAY too slow....period.

This is one of the best maxims in betting...something I relearn the hard way every year. You have to figure out WHO is going to win, not who you WANT to win.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by byalip

This is one of the best maxims in betting...something I relearn the hard way every year. You have to figure out WHO is going to win, not who you WANT to win.

Oh he read that on yahoo somewheres.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by byalip

This is one of the best maxims in betting...something I relearn the hard way every year. You have to figure out WHO is going to win, not who you WANT to win.

i agree with that 100% and the truth is i have no favorites in this race, no horse that i personally really like is running, but i do honestly feel that he could possibly win, its a long shot, a upset but it would be no bigger then Tiago winning last week.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i agree with that 100% and the truth is i have no favorites in this race, no horse that i personally really like is running, but i do honestly feel that he could possibly win, its a long shot, a upset but it would be no bigger then Tiago winning last week.

Instead of just coming out and saying that you honestly think he can win, tell us what that is based on. Make the case, convince us. What is your rationale?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Instead of just coming out and saying that you honestly think he can win, tell us what that is based on. Make the case, convince us. What is your rationale?

ok.....I think he can win because........


like scav said on another thread his race last friday he was in hand the whole trip, he went from last to first and did it easily.

This years three year old crop has not standouts, there are alot of very good horses but no great ones, and i know alot of ppl think the big 2 are in this race but i really do think this race could be ripe for a upset. Street Sense just barley beats Any Given Saturday, and then AGS comes back and runs horrible in the wood, Street Sense also has never won on the poly, as for Great Hunter he beats Sam P last time, but Sam p was getting to him late Sam P is the beaten favorite in the Santa Anita Derby where he is defeated by a maiden winner in Tiago.

Also the big 2 have bigger fish to fry there main goals are winning the Kentucky Derby, not running huge in the bluegrass 3 weeks out and having nothing left for kentucky, on the other hand Time Squared has to run 1-2 to even make it to the derby, which has to be the goal considering they are running him here to try and get the graded earnings.