My opinion on Asmussen

[paisjpq]

well said Joel, and i agree with you for the most part...but I also believe that if his the filly is under his name he has to accept responsibility for whatever his asst. might have done. However 6 months is absurd.

[JJP]

The punishment does seem a bit harsh for the offense but I believe he had a previous violation, maybe for EPO? That might've factored into the punishment.

Originally Posted by JJP

The punishment does seem a bit harsh for the offense but I believe he had a previous violation, maybe for EPO? That might've factored into the punishment.

In my opinion, the only thing that really factored in this judgement was the fact that he wins a lot of the races at EvD and his name is not Bourgeious, Arceneaux, Desormeaux, Hebert, Breaux or Melancon...catch my drift?....Cajuns don't like the big outfits coming in and taking there slots-supplemented money and they take care of there own to make sure it happens as least as possible..

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

In my opinion, the only thing that really factored in this judgement was the fact that he wins a lot of the races at EvD and his name is not Bourgeious, Arceneaux, Desormeaux, Hebert, Breaux or Melancon...catch my drift?....Cajuns don't like the big outfits coming in and taking there slots-supplemented money and they take care of there own to make sure it happens as least as possible..

I say you're on to something here. Smells like Cajun home cookin to me.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I say you're on to something here. Smells like Cajun home cookin to me.

Thats my point ArlJim. AFter listening to a very arrogant dissertation on Dutrow, you would think that a guy who said those things would have to come down hard on Asmussen.
I pride myself on objective analysis. There is no room for personal feelings in an objective argument.
Both Asmussen and Dutrow are high percentage, win at both the bottom level claiming ranks and in graded stakes, are huge off the claim or first time to them switch, and have been suspected of chicanery.
Personally even though I know one and not the other, I think both are outstanding at what they do and are using 21st century vet techniques, sheets to place their horses in spots, had a postive for mepivicaine, and are are both outstanding horsemen. I really see no way how that you can come down hard on one and defend the other. Unless of course you let the fact that you know and like one and not the other cloud your judgement.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats my point ArlJim. AFter listening to a very arrogant dissertation on Dutrow, you would think that a guy who said those things would have to come down hard on Asmussen.
I pride myself on objective analysis. There is no room for personal feelings in an objective argument.
Both Asmussen and Dutrow are high percentage, win at both the bottom level claiming ranks and in graded stakes, are huge off the claim or first time to them switch, and have been suspected of chicanery.
Personally even though I know one and not the other, I think both are outstanding at what they do and are using 21st century vet techniques, sheets to place their horses in spots, had a postive for mepivicaine, and are are both outstanding horsemen. I really see no way how that you can come down hard on one and defend the other. Unless of course you let the fact that you know and like one and not the other cloud your judgement.

hey mike hows tricks .....

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats my point ArlJim. AFter listening to a very arrogant dissertation on Dutrow, you would think that a guy who said those things would have to come down hard on Asmussen.
I pride myself on objective analysis. There is no room for personal feelings in an objective argument.
Both Asmussen and Dutrow are high percentage, win at both the bottom level claiming ranks and in graded stakes, are huge off the claim or first time to them switch, and have been suspected of chicanery.
Personally even though I know one and not the other, I think both are outstanding at what they do and are using 21st century vet techniques, sheets to place their horses in spots, had a postive for mepivicaine, and are are both outstanding horsemen. I really see no way how that you can come down hard on one and defend the other. Unless of course you let the fact that you know and like one and not the other cloud your judgement.

Yeah, I don't know either guy, just their public record and my own observations about their particular styles. I see them both as solid horsemen at the top of the game and factor that into my wagering strategy.
The action taken against Assmussen seems ridiculously harse.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Yeah, I don't know either guy, just their public record and my own observations about their particular styles. I see them both as solid horsemen at the top of the game and factor that into my wagering strategy.
The action taken against Assmussen seems ridiculously harse.

I agree, the suspension is absolutely absurd.
I'm ok Hooves. Had a good friend, one of my best, pass away on Monday and I found out on Wednesday. Then the town where my grandmothers live in got flooded like you wouldnt believe. They are ok, up on hills, but wanted to check in and see if they needed anything.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats my point ArlJim. AFter listening to a very arrogant dissertation on Dutrow, you would think that a guy who said those things would have to come down hard on Asmussen.
I pride myself on objective analysis. There is no room for personal feelings in an objective argument.
Both Asmussen and Dutrow are high percentage, win at both the bottom level claiming ranks and in graded stakes, are huge off the claim or first time to them switch, and have been suspected of chicanery.
Personally even though I know one and not the other, I think both are outstanding at what they do and are using 21st century vet techniques, sheets to place their horses in spots, had a postive for mepivicaine, and are are both outstanding horsemen. I really see no way how that you can come down hard on one and defend the other. Unless of course you let the fact that you know and like one and not the other cloud your judgement.

That's not completely true mike, you have obvious favorites in the game and it shows when you post about them--not that there's anything wrong with that but it can and does cloud one's level of objectivity.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats my point ArlJim. AFter listening to a very arrogant dissertation on Dutrow, you would think that a guy who said those things would have to come down hard on Asmussen.
I pride myself on objective analysis. There is no room for personal feelings in an objective argument.
Both Asmussen and Dutrow are high percentage, win at both the bottom level claiming ranks and in graded stakes, are huge off the claim or first time to them switch, and have been suspected of chicanery.
Personally even though I know one and not the other, I think both are outstanding at what they do and are using 21st century vet techniques, sheets to place their horses in spots, had a postive for mepivicaine, and are are both outstanding horsemen. I really see no way how that you can come down hard on one and defend the other. Unless of course you let the fact that you know and like one and not the other cloud your judgement.

Oracle, Do you still think that Mepivicaine is used for dental work on horses? I asked one of my trainers about that and he started laughing. Horses are not like humans when it comes to dental work. Mepivicaine is not used on horses for dental work. Novacaine is not used either. Horses are given tranquilizers for dental work. When a horse tests positive for Mepivicaine, there is only one possible explanation: The horse was given a nerve-block in one of its legs. Every trainer knows that. Every vet knows that and every steward knows that. That is why the penalty is so severe for a Mepivicaine positive.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

In my opinion, the only thing that really factored in this judgement was the fact that he wins a lot of the races at EvD and his name is not Bourgeious, Arceneaux, Desormeaux, Hebert, Breaux or Melancon...catch my drift?....Cajuns don't like the big outfits coming in and taking there slots-supplemented money and they take care of there own to make sure it happens as least as possible..

1. This quote... interesting
2. Calling for national oversight ... unrealistic.
3. Calling the other poster the "moron of the day" .... lamentable

In revesrse order:

3. If he's the "moron of the day," what does that make you (other than, of course, the self-styled purveyor of the moron of the day award)? There are lots of people who share his view, right or wrong. And since he chooses to race so widely, there's no way he can know what's going on everwhere. I'll say that if he's going to play the game, he's subject to it's rules. Whether the punishment fits his offense is a matter for appeal.

2. National oversight. Yeah, sure it sounds good, but you should know it will never happen. Do you really think that the 30 or so states with a horse racing industry and their own racing commissions are going to agree to cede that authority? Politics in Louisiana are not so very different than they are in other states, certainly not when it comes to inviting federal legislation that would supercede State authority. Banking and insurance are two good examples. While there is federal regulation to a some extent, these huge industries are, for the most part, state regulated. If your zeal for national standards to apply to suspension guideline for violating state racing medication rules is genuine, I'd suggest you focus on getting the industry's national trade association to develop "model" guidelines for states to follow.

1. Your comment regarding the "Cajuns" in Louisiana. It's awful. And worse, it's lamentable. It smacks of the kind of "my people came over on the Mayflower and yours didn't" latent and very unsubtle attitude that has little use other than, of course, to make an unsubtle point. I'm a modest CDI, Inc. shareholder and it's unfortunate that one of CDI's on-air staff would make this sort of remark. If CDI were to promote you and transfer you to Louisiana and you found yourself in the position of needing to interview one of these "Cajuns" you mentioned would you be able to do so objectively? I'm sure many of them have fathers and sons and mothers and daughters who have fought and died to give you the right to your unsubtle and unseemly comments.

Good luck.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

1. Your comment regarding the "Cajuns" in Louisiana. It's awful. And worse, it's lamentable. It smacks of the kind of "my people came over on the Mayflower and yours didn't" latent and very unsubtle attitude that has little use other than, of course, to make an unsubtle point. I'm a modest CDI, Inc. shareholder and it's unfortunate that one of CDI's on-air staff would make this sort of remark. If CDI were to promote you and transfer you to Louisiana and you found yourself in the position of needing to interview one of these "Cajuns" you mentioned would you be able to do so objectively? I'm sure many of them have fathers and sons and mothers and daughters who have fought and died to give you the right to your unsubtle and unseemly comments.

Good luck.

ummm isn't Joel from Loiusiana?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

ummm isn't Joel from Loiusiana?

Yep, he is. That is why what he says is true. He knows what goes on down there. I firmly believe that...so when it comes to Louisiana racing, I will listen to him. He is actually very involved with LA racing, but I'll let him to be the one that says the specifics because I don't want to reveal any information about him that he may not want revealed.

[Scurlogue Champ]

I hate cajuns

Originally Posted by paisjpq

ummm isn't Joel from Loiusiana?

Of course I am and there is no bigger proponent of Louisiana racing in the world than me...hell, I am invested through the roof in that program and passionately love it and am seriously involved with the big players in it.

This guy clearly doesn't do his homework...for starters Mr. stockholder, I am no longer employed full time by CDI, and if I was, I never made an opinion in relation to CDI nor did I represent CDI in any opinion.

And again, I'm a Louisianian...my father and I are VERY invested in the racing program there and no all of the big players...as a matter of fact, my father is also a LARGE stockholder in CDI and is also a huge invester in the Louisiana racing program and even he doesn't disagree with my position because he lives there and understands Louisiana politics.

...just because you don't believe with the way the Louisiana government handles there business - as well as many shady things on the racetracks with well-documented scandles that have been witnessed over the past 20 years in Louisiana racing - doesn't mean that you hate Lousiana people and Louisiana racing....as a matter of fact, you can tell I love Louisiana racing because I'm one of the people that would love to see it ridded of its derailing bad politics and shady players...the same ones that could possible be involved in this bogus suspension.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Of course I am and there is no bigger proponent of Louisiana racing in the world than me...hell, I am invested through the roof in that program and passionately love it and am seriously involved with the big players in it.

This guy clearly doesn't do his homework...for starters Mr. stockholder, I am no longer employed full time by CDI, and if I was, I never made an opinion in relation to CDI nor did I represent CDI in any opinion.

And again, I'm a Louisianian...my father and I are VERY invested in the racing program there and no all of the big players...as a matter of fact, my father is also a LARGE stockholder in CDI and is also a huge invester in the Louisiana racing program and even he doesn't disagree with my position because he lives there and understands Louisiana politics.

...just because you don't believe with the way the Louisiana government handles there business - as well as many shady things on the racetracks with well-documented scandles that have been witnessed over the past 20 years in Louisiana racing - doesn't mean that you hate Lousiana people and Louisiana racing....as a matter of fact, you can tell I love Louisiana racing because I'm one of the people that would love to see it ridded of its derailing bad politics and shady players...the same ones that could possible be involved in this bogus suspension.

Well,
I'm sure your Dad is a far HUGER investor than I am. You got me there. I still find offensive your reference to Cajuns in what I consider a deragtory manner. You probably don't agree. Well, that's all right with me. The fact you may own a few horses and your father may own a few more does not make you an expert on State politics nor does it make your reference to another person here who shared an opinion different than yours as a moron any more tasteful. I'll let it go there, wish you well, but will offer some unsolicited advice ... upgrade the sportcoat you wear on Churchill TV. Good luck.

regards,
-s2s

Originally Posted by paisjpq

well said Joel, and i agree with you for the most part...but I also believe that if his the filly is under his name he has to accept responsibility for whatever his asst. might have done. However 6 months is absurd.

Responsiblity, yes..you're right..But, keep in mind that his assistant may or may not have directly had anything to do with it, even.....the Vet that medicated here could have made a mistake..Who knows?

The bottomline is that - yes, it is his responsibility because he is named as the trainer of the horse. However, assuming that he is guilty enough to throw the freaking book at him and sit him for 6 months is absolutely asonine.....this is another classic case of bad Louisiana politics and Cajun home cooking..

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Responsiblity, yes..you're right..But, keep in mind that his assistant may or may not have directly had anything to do with it, even.....the Vet that medicated here could have made a mistake..Who knows?

The bottomline is that - yes, it is his responsibility because he is named as the trainer of the horse. However, assuming that he is guilty enough to throw the freaking book at him and sit him for 6 months is absolutely asonine.....this is another classic case of bad Louisiana politics and Cajun home cooking..

yup. I don't like spicy food much anyway.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Responsiblity, yes..you're right..But, keep in mind that his assistant may or may not have directly had anything to do with it, even.....the Vet that medicated here could have made a mistake..Who knows?

The bottomline is that - yes, it is his responsibility because he is named as the trainer of the horse. However, assuming that he is guilty enough to throw the freaking book at him and sit him for 6 months is absolutely asonine.....this is another classic case of bad Louisiana politics and Cajun home cooking..

Here's the thing though--I have worked as a groom for show horses and on various farms and sales both in and out of the TB industry. I have never seen a vet take matters into his own hands w/o the OK from someone higher than me on the food chain.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Here's the thing though--I have worked as a groom for show horses and on various farms and sales both in and out of the TB industry. I have never seen a vet take matters into his own hands w/o the OK from someone higher than me on the food chain.

Well, it has been the opposite experience for me....I own a few T-breds and have seen it happen before..