OT- Peter Gammons.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Exceller

True, but Gammons is a reporter, not some who is in the arena. Remember, the guys that play are the ones that deserve the credit. GM's are the ones who take the risks, Gammons just is an observer. I like Gammons but he is too close to the Red Sox for my liking. Journalists shouldn't bet that involved with one team.

Gammons is the most respected baseball reporter in the business. Scouts, GM's, etc. call him. His cell phone rings off the hook. He is the most trusted of them all. He tells it like it is. He hardly ever has anything bad to say about anyone (he does have reservations on the steroid boys - as he is a member of the BWA that votes). I email him for some news that he has heard from around the league, so I can use to post with my fellow roto-writers. I've only met one fellow writer, who can't stand him, and uses his columns to contradict his every word. Unfortunately he is a part of my roto-crew.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Gammons is the most respected baseball reporter in the business. Scouts, GM's, etc. call him. His cell phone rings off the hook. He is the most trusted of them all. He tells it like it is. He hardly ever has anything bad to say about anyone (he does have reservations on the steroid boys - as he is a member of the BWA that votes). I email him for some news that he has heard from around the league, so I can use to post with my fellow roto-writers. I've only met one fellow writer, who can't stand him, and uses his columns to contradict his every word. Unfortunately he is a part of my roto-crew.

I guess you aren't biased either? LOL. Gammons is part of the problem with baseball. That guy is supposed to be a journalist and he is nothing more than a pawn of the owners. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY FROM GAMMONS? The "journalist of baseball" just forgets about the cheating.

A kid who used to play for the Red Sox came out this week and said everyone there is taking them. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY ON THE RED SOX from Gammons?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Exceller

I guess you aren't biased either? LOL. Gammons is part of the problem with baseball. That guy is supposed to be a journalist and he is nothing more than a pawn of the owners. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY FROM GAMMONS? The "journalist of baseball" just forgets about the cheating.

A kid who used to play for the Red Sox came out this week and said everyone there is taking them. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY ON THE RED SOX from Gammons?

He's not writing the story. He has had a brain aneurism surgery.
Read the thread.
Prayers for him.


Must be a liberal secret agenda otherwise.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

He's not writing the story. He has had a brain aneurism surgery.
Read the thread.
Prayers for him.


Must be a liberal secret agenda otherwise.

I am well aware of what happenned to him. The steroids were rampant in the Red Sox clubhouse in 2000 and he never once mentioned it. He is a pawn of the owners. These so called journalists are really nothing more than fans who look the other way to keep their high paying jobs and keep their sources in baseball. Gammons cares about Gammons, not the steroid problem that has moved to high schools and colleges.

Any guy who depends on sources like he does knew what was going on. He just looked the other way.

[Betsy]

I'm a Yankee fan and I love Peter Gammons. It doesn't matter what team you're a fan of now; when I read this on this board, I was shocked. I'm praying that he makes a full recovery.

As for whether he's biased or not, I definitely don't think so (though my Yankee fan bretheren think he is), but I still don't think that a debate on that belongs here. Even if he is biased, so what? The man came close to dying and is not yet out of the woods.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I'm a Yankee fan and I love Peter Gammons. It doesn't matter what team you're a fan of now; when I read this on this board, I was shocked. I'm praying that he makes a full recovery.

As for whether he's biased or not, I definitely don't think so (though my Yankee fan bretheren think he is), but I still don't think that a debate on that belongs here. Even if he is biased, so what? The man came close to dying and is not yet out of the woods.

Well said Betsy.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well said Betsy.

DTS, you should take ArlJims advice and get back on your meds. LOL.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I'm a Yankee fan and I love Peter Gammons. It doesn't matter what team you're a fan of now; when I read this on this board, I was shocked. I'm praying that he makes a full recovery.

As for whether he's biased or not, I definitely don't think so (though my Yankee fan bretheren think he is), but I still don't think that a debate on that belongs here. Even if he is biased, so what? The man came close to dying and is not yet out of the woods.

I guess all the young people that might die from steroid use are no big deal because they aren't a celeb like Gammons. He obviously wasn't too concerned about them.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Exceller

I guess all the young people that might die from steroid use are no big deal because they aren't a celeb like Gammons. He obviously wasn't too concerned about them.

Yeah, because kids using Steroids is Peter's fault - the only ones to blame are the kids themselves. Sorry - at some point, they have to take responsibility for their actions.

I find it funny that you're getting on Peter's case (because he didn't pursue a story hard enough, as if he lacks some moral fiber), at a time when he is seriously ill. Seems like a contradiction to me.

[Gander]

I only watch him on Baseball Tonight and I dont see much of a bias coming through. I am a huge Red Sox fan but also follow many of the other games every night. Gammons is anything but bad for the game. Thats a ridiculous thing to say, especially at a time like this.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Gander

I only watch him on Baseball Tonight and I dont see much of a bias coming through. I am a huge Red Sox fan but also follow many of the other games every night. Gammons is anything but bad for the game. Thats a ridiculous thing to say, especially at a time like this.

There was obviously a steroid story in the Red Sox clubhouse. Gammons just looked the other way. The kid that played for them in 2000 said they were everywhere. I have heard Gammons comment plenty on steroids, just not about the connection to the Red Sox. If it was there, which everyone knows it was, he must not have been doing his job or he just looked the other way.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by Exceller

There was obviously a steroid story in the Red Sox clubhouse. Gammons just looked the other way. The kid that played for them in 2000 said they were everywhere. I have heard Gammons comment plenty on steroids, just not about the connection to the Red Sox. If it was there, which everyone knows it was, he must not have been doing his job or he just looked the other way.

Well, this is all just false. A borderline rookie prospect doing HGH and steroids in the Red Sox clubhouse does not constititue the entire clubhouse doing it. Even if they did, peep the standings for 2000, the Sox were bad. This player was a fringe prospect, Paxton Crawford. No reporter ever blew the whistle on steroids, Gammons or otherwise. Other than Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander THERE IS NO WAY TO STIPULATE THIS AS A SCANDAL. I'll repeat, Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander, who combined have done as much in the majors as I have.

There was also a mention of him covering for the owners, which in 2000 was the Yawkey Trust, and not the same people who own them now, so that arguement has no weight either.

If we are going to harp on the Red Sox steroid scandal, of which there seems to be very little, where was Mike Vaccaro or Mike Lupica to enlighten the world on Jason Giambi or Gary Sheffield? Or any reporter IN ANY CITY covering any team? Where were any of them?

To paraphrase Gammons when you go back and look at jackasses like Giambi, Paxton Crawford, Jason Grimsley, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, the whole bunch of the abusers, it makes you appreciate the raw ability and talent of people like Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Jason Bay, Jonathon Papelbon, ARod, David Ortiz, Manny Ramierz, Jim Thome, all the guys who make baseball great.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Well, this is all just false. A borderline rookie prospect doing HGH and steroids in the Red Sox clubhouse does not constititue the entire clubhouse doing it. Even if they did, peep the standings for 2000, the Sox were bad. This player was a fringe prospect, Paxton Crawford. No reporter ever blew the whistle on steroids, Gammons or otherwise. Other than Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander THERE IS NO WAY TO STIPULATE THIS AS A SCANDAL. I'll repeat, Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander, who combined have done as much in the majors as I have.

There was also a mention of him covering for the owners, which in 2000 was the Yawkey Trust, and not the same people who own them now, so that arguement has no weight either.

If we are going to harp on the Red Sox steroid scandal, of which there seems to be very little, where was Mike Vaccaro or Mike Lupica to enlighten the world on Jason Giambi or Gary Sheffield? Or any reporter IN ANY CITY covering any team? Where were any of them?

To paraphrase Gammons when you go back and look at jackasses like Giambi, Paxton Crawford, Jason Grimsley, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, the whole bunch of the abusers, it makes you appreciate the raw ability and talent of people like Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Jason Bay, Jonathon Papelbon, ARod, David Ortiz, Manny Ramierz, Jim Thome, all the guys who make baseball great.

Fine, the Sox have no guys using steroids. Anyway you look at it, a guy with the inside info of Gammons knew steroids were rampant in baseball and he just forgot to mention it. Can't argue with that. I guess it is more important to be in the know than to tell the truth.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Fine, the Sox have no guys using steroids. Anyway you look at it, a guy with the inside info of Gammons knew steroids were rampant in baseball and he just forgot to mention it. Can't argue with that. I guess it is more important to be in the know than to tell the truth.

You're a ****ing idiot.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Exceller

I guess you aren't biased either? LOL. Gammons is part of the problem with baseball. That guy is supposed to be a journalist and he is nothing more than a pawn of the owners. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY FROM GAMMONS? The "journalist of baseball" just forgets about the cheating.

A kid who used to play for the Red Sox came out this week and said everyone there is taking them. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY ON THE RED SOX from Gammons?

Right now, I'm checking on this so-called story that apparently no one has heard of before. Its not my job anyways to report this information. What readers want from me is information on what their players, and player's team are planning on doing.

Plus I've been reading you for a while. And I have to wonder, if someone doesn't agree with you, do you always charge, that they are biased or gullable, or some other juvenile response?

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Right now, I'm checking on this so-called story that apparently no one has heard of before. Its not my job anyways to report this information. What readers want from me is information on what their players, and player's team are planning on doing.

Plus I've been reading you for a while. And I have to wonder, if someone doesn't agree with you, do you always charge, that they are biased or gullable, or some other juvenile response?

Gammons lives on inside information. That is why he is who he is. If you want to believe he didn't know steroids were rampant in baseball go ahead. That guy knows everything. He just looks the other way when it benefits him. That is not being a journalist, that is being a pawn of the owners. Steroids would have been out of baseball long ago if people like Gammons did their job.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Gammons is the most respected baseball reporter in the business. Scouts, GM's, etc. call him. His cell phone rings off the hook. He is the most trusted of them all. He tells it like it is. He hardly ever has anything bad to say about anyone (he does have reservations on the steroid boys - as he is a member of the BWA that votes). I email him for some news that he has heard from around the league, so I can use to post with my fellow roto-writers. I've only met one fellow writer, who can't stand him, and uses his columns to contradict his every word. Unfortunately he is a part of my roto-crew.

Yeah, he tells it like it is. He just looked past the steroids story. He kept his mouth shut to keep getting inside info from Scouts, GM's, etc. I like journalist that are honest and dig for stories, not ones who keep quiet in order to get information.