Ravel, How good is he ?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

It's a relatively new race and winners of the Sham don't have a great record in the Derby thus far. Check it out:
2006 - Bob and John (last year as listed race)
2005 - Going Wild
2004 - Master David
2003 - Man Among Men
2002 - U S S Tinosa
2001 - Wild and Wise (restricted to nonSWs) first running

LOL, understatement of the year. Also rans everywhere on there.

[Linny]

Ravel has not trained since 3/11. I am told that he's a light type that doesn't stand alot of training or racing very well. He may be good but he's pretty fragile.
The Sham was a restricted race until the last couple of years. Its a hard race to judge from. Seeing how badly Liquidity ran back, I'm not thrilled with Ravel.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

LOL, understatement of the year. Also rans everywhere on there.

Yeah, and I put most of them in my RTTR stable. Now a Sham THIRD has won the Kentucky Derby (Giacomo) and a Sham SECOND finished second (Empire Maker), but winners haven't done much. Maybe it is just the wrong distance at the wrong time.

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Yeah, and I put most of them in my RTTR stable. Now a Sham THIRD has won the Kentucky Derby (Giacomo) and a Sham SECOND finished second (Empire Maker), but winners haven't done much. Maybe it is just the wrong distance at the wrong time.

Are you sure Empire Maker ran in the Sham?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bystander

Are you sure Empire Maker ran in the Sham?

Owner: Juddmonte Farms, Inc.
Breeder: Juddmonte Farms
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 8 Starts: 4 - 3 - 1, $1,985,800

2002: 2nd Remsen S.-G2.
2003: 1st Belmont S.-G1, Wood Memorial S.-G1, Florida Derby-G1
2nd Kentucky Derby-G1, Jim Dandy S.-G2, Sham S.

Entered stud in 2004.
Stands at Juddmonte Farms in Lexington, KY.

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Owner: Juddmonte Farms, Inc.
Breeder: Juddmonte Farms
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 8 Starts: 4 - 3 - 1, $1,985,800

2002: 2nd Remsen S.-G2.
2003: 1st Belmont S.-G1, Wood Memorial S.-G1, Florida Derby-G1
2nd Kentucky Derby-G1, Jim Dandy S.-G2, Sham S.

Entered stud in 2004.
Stands at Juddmonte Farms in Lexington, KY.

Thanks. I really didn't remember that, who beat him?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bystander

Thanks. I really didn't remember that, who beat him?

Man Among Men

[Bystander]

How could I forget that one??

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Man Among Men

Named, of course, for Morte'.