Shake You Down

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by phystech

Care to share with me what you think a better life for him would be? And, please be sure to include the basis for your judgement other than the fact that he is 9 yrs old.

Thx

This from a Bloodhorse Article

He has a quote about Shake You Down

He says "All I know is that he will always have home when he is done racing, that I can asuure you. I already have a home picked out for him at Tim Salzman farm in Carrol County. We're not going to run him any cheaper than $14,000, and obviously, we're not going to send him out there if we feel he can't win or if we feel his health is compromised. But we don't feel that way now"

They why would he say this bullshit. He made this statement and
not following it. I think doesn't care if this horse breaks down.
Some of us on DT think this should deserve much better. Shake You
Down should spend his days in a paddock being a horse

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by saucon17

This from a Bloodhorse Article

He has a quote about Shake You Down

He says "All I know is that he will always have home when he is done racing, that I can asuure you. I already have a home picked out for him at Tim Salzman farm in Carrol County. We're not going to run him any cheaper than $14,000, and obviously, we're not going to send him out there if we feel he can't win or if we feel his health is compromised. But we don't feel that way now"

They why would he say this bullshit. He made this statement and
not following it. I think doesn't care if this horse breaks down.
Some of us on DT think this should deserve much better. Shake You
Down should spend his days in a paddock being a horse

I agree with you. A horse that's won more than 1.5 million on the track deserves more than being run in cheap claimers. If he's going to say the above, he needs to back up what's he saying.

[Buffymommy]

Shake You Down can go off to be retrained for another discipline other than racing. He is only 9 years old. Let him go be a little girl's dream come true.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I agree with you. A horse that's won more than 1.5 million on the track deserves more than being run in cheap claimers. If he's going to say the above, he needs to back up what's he saying.

Jamie and Bethani,

Looks like Cole got some common sense he scratched out, now
we hope he is done racing and we don't see him in the entries again.
Like I said before, I wonder if Cole does this to just get an uproar and
people mad and he always scratches him

Mike


4 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($7,500 - $7,000) | Purse: $21,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
Shake You Down SCRATCHED
1 1 Ian's Rocket McGowan M C Cartagena Keisy 114 $7,250 LA 5-1
2 2 Joe Pag Bracaloni N D Cartagena Julio R 114 $7,250 LA 5-2
3 3 Whatayathink Ramirez E Schlesinger Renee A 116 $7,500 LA 8-1
4 4 Whispered Ways Dunkelberger T L Vance David W 116 $7,500 LA 4-1
5 5 Tucson City Sosa P Jr Martinez Jose 116 $7,500 LA 9-2
6 6 Yada Boy Soodeen R Espinosa Victor M 116 $7,500 Blk-On LA 12-1
7 7 Truckee Traveler Perez Nilo Condon Leslie A 116 $7,500 LA 20-1
8 8 Dance Sister Dance Flores O Spears Stephen A 116 $7,500 LA 10-1
9 9 Should Be Fun Larrosa G Herbst Preston L 116 $7,500 LA 10-1

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by saucon17

Jamie and Bethani,

Looks like Cole got some common sense he scratched out, now
we hope he is done racing and we don't see him in the entries again.
Like I said before, I wonder if Cole does this to just get an uproar and
people mad and he always scratches him

Mike


4 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($7,500 - $7,000) | Purse: $21,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
Shake You Down SCRATCHED
1 1 Ian's Rocket McGowan M C Cartagena Keisy 114 $7,250 LA 5-1
2 2 Joe Pag Bracaloni N D Cartagena Julio R 114 $7,250 LA 5-2
3 3 Whatayathink Ramirez E Schlesinger Renee A 116 $7,500 LA 8-1
4 4 Whispered Ways Dunkelberger T L Vance David W 116 $7,500 LA 4-1
5 5 Tucson City Sosa P Jr Martinez Jose 116 $7,500 LA 9-2
6 6 Yada Boy Soodeen R Espinosa Victor M 116 $7,500 Blk-On LA 12-1
7 7 Truckee Traveler Perez Nilo Condon Leslie A 116 $7,500 LA 20-1
8 8 Dance Sister Dance Flores O Spears Stephen A 116 $7,500 LA 10-1
9 9 Should Be Fun Larrosa G Herbst Preston L 116 $7,500 LA 10-1

I'm glad to see that, Mike... he's too nice of a horse to be placed in those kinds of situations. I'd feel the same way if they started throwing Funny Cide or Perfect Drift in cheap claimers. Thanks for posting the update.

[Echo Farm]

Originally Posted by saucon17

This from a Bloodhorse Article

He has a quote about Shake You Down

He says "All I know is that he will always have home when he is done racing, that I can asuure you. I already have a home picked out for him at Tim Salzman farm in Carrol County. We're not going to run him any cheaper than $14,000, and obviously, we're not going to send him out there if we feel he can't win or if we feel his health is compromised. But we don't feel that way now"

is this online? have a link?

or if in the print edition, do you have issue / page # ?

thanks (not being confrontational, just want to read the article)

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Echo Farm

is this online? have a link?

or if in the print edition, do you have issue / page # ?

thanks (not being confrontational, just want to read the article)

It is in one of the Breeder Regions sections, I'd say 4 or 5 issues back.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Echo Farm

is this online? have a link?

or if in the print edition, do you have issue / page # ?

thanks (not being confrontational, just want to read the article)

I don't think that article ever made it online...it was in an issue about a month ago (I'm sure saucon has the exact date).

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I don't think that article ever made it online...it was in an issue about a month ago (I'm sure saucon has the exact date).

It was the Feburary 10, 2007 issue and it is in
the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic report. It is written
by Steve Haskin and called "Cole's Claims"

It starts on page 902 Echo Farm

[Echo Farm]

Originally Posted by saucon17

It was the Feburary 10, 2007 issue and it is in
the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic report. It is written
by Steve Haskin and called "Cole's Claims"

It starts on page 902 Echo Farm

THANKS!

[paisjpq]

it looks like the shipping ban was extended until march 19th...probably what prompted him being scratched...i think Cole is absolutely greedy enough to run this horse...at any level he thinks the horse might possibly get a paycheck.

http://www.arcimembers.com/PublicPag...003/031003.pdf

[phystech]

OK, here's my take on this situation - and it may not be a popular one....

None of us know what is best for this horse, including me. It's a nice thought to envision him standing in a field full of daisies somewhere and all he has to do is eat. But, that might not be what is "best" for the horse. Isn't it possible that the horse simply enjoys life at the track? Isn't it possible that the horse likes to run? Isn't is possible he could be shipped off to stand in Salzman's field in Carroll County (note - it's spelled with 2 LL's, not one) and hate every minute of it?

Now, before I draw the ire and vitriol of some of you, make sure you understand my point is that NONE of us knows what is BEST for the horse. I'm not a big fan of Cole's as I think he's the second coming of Mike Gill and doesn't do much for the sport except take up stall space. But I'll defend his right to choose what he thinks is best for the horse as long as he is the owner. And if you want to affect the future life of the horse, save your money and go claim him when/if he races again. It's just that simple.

Rest assured, he's getting quality feed, quality bedding, quality vet care, etc in Lake's barn. The horse is being well taken care of. If he could only breathe like he used to.......

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by phystech

OK, here's my take on this situation - and it may not be a popular one....

None of us know what is best for this horse, including me. It's a nice thought to envision him standing in a field full of daisies somewhere and all he has to do is eat. But, that might not be what is "best" for the horse. Isn't it possible that the horse simply enjoys life at the track? Isn't it possible that the horse likes to run? Isn't is possible he could be shipped off to stand in Salzman's field in Carroll County (note - it's spelled with 2 LL's, not one) and hate every minute of it?

Now, before I draw the ire and vitriol of some of you, make sure you understand my point is that NONE of us knows what is BEST for the horse. I'm not a big fan of Cole's as I think he's the second coming of Mike Gill and doesn't do much for the sport except take up stall space. But I'll defend his right to choose what he thinks is best for the horse as long as he is the owner. And if you want to affect the future life of the horse, save your money and go claim him when/if he races again. It's just that simple.

Rest assured, he's getting quality feed, quality bedding, quality vet care, etc in Lake's barn. The horse is being well taken care of. If he could only breathe like he used to.......

He's a gelding. LOL

[paisjpq]

i've heard the argument a lot that horses just like to run and so they should keep racing. Sorry but it doesn't work for me. I agree that horses like to have a job to do but there comes a time when the body doesn't have what it takes to withstand the rigors of racing and be successful...IMO while I may not know better than Cole what is best for his back account I think i do know what would be better for his horse.
The horse certainly could be a very happy animal doing another (less stressful or demanding job). I am not a proponant of just retiring him to let him stand in a field but if he can't find the winners circle at some of the lowest levels of racing don't you think that the time has come to find him a more suitable way to earn his living?

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by phystech

OK, here's my take on this situation - and it may not be a popular one....

None of us know what is best for this horse, including me. It's a nice thought to envision him standing in a field full of daisies somewhere and all he has to do is eat. But, that might not be what is "best" for the horse. Isn't it possible that the horse simply enjoys life at the track? Isn't it possible that the horse likes to run? Isn't is possible he could be shipped off to stand in Salzman's field in Carroll County (note - it's spelled with 2 LL's, not one) and hate every minute of it?

Now, before I draw the ire and vitriol of some of you, make sure you understand my point is that NONE of us knows what is BEST for the horse. I'm not a big fan of Cole's as I think he's the second coming of Mike Gill and doesn't do much for the sport except take up stall space. But I'll defend his right to choose what he thinks is best for the horse as long as he is the owner. And if you want to affect the future life of the horse, save your money and go claim him when/if he races again. It's just that simple.

Rest assured, he's getting quality feed, quality bedding, quality vet care, etc in Lake's barn. The horse is being well taken care of. If he could only breathe like he used to.......

Oh there's no question the absolute best thing for this horse, or any horse, is not racing, the issue is if THIS particular horse has done enough to deserve the life of riley so to speak, and the overwhelming conclusion on this board is that he has. I love racing and understand the risk versus rewards of racing, but to deny the inherent dangers to the horse's participating is clearly putting your head in the sand, add an older warrior like Shake you Down with a lot of wear and tear and the risks are that much greater. Than there's the issue of degrading the old boy by throwing him in a low level claimer, no doubt just to cash in, thats the gratitude for earning you over a million dollars, far more than enough to ensure a nice dignified retirement. If he truly loves being around the track than they could use him as a pony while maintaining his dignity and protecting him from harm.

[Echo Farm]

I can't find him listed. I have him in my Equibase Virtual stable and never received a notice.

Is it possible he was entered, then scratched? Is the ban still on for horses from PA & MD?


http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbR...2007&STYLE=EQB

sniped! (above)

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Echo Farm

is this online? have a link?

or if in the print edition, do you have issue / page # ?

thanks (not being confrontational, just want to read the article)

I got the issue and I asked the BH to send me a link for it
online and they won't because it is not online