"Inside" information & misguided public?

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Grits

Another trainer in at GP that I've noted and am not at all familiar with this season is Javier Negrete? Jeffrey Sanchez rides.

I don't have anything in front of me tonight, but if I recall, he's popped huge. I've found myself thinking, "hey where's this one from?" A former assistant possibly?

Anyone else notice him?

Guys, I have to do this I can't help it, besides I don't know if everyone is reading the ex/fave thread.

Negrete ran one again today. Going off at 133/1 and running 3rd, leading to the top of the stretch, where he was caught.

Time was nothing special for this group, still, he's getting pieces..

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Honu

But did the morning clockers know what the riders instructions were? Alot of times public and private clockers watch a horse work and they think they arent much but they dont know what the exercise riders or jockeys instructions were.
I cant tell you how many times I have worked a horse with another horse and the boss has said " listen this horse is going to run in 6 days DO NOT BEAT HIM " " dont even gallop out by him". Its important , I see private clockers all the time in the grandstand at Hollywood and to tell you the truth they remind me of pigeons , just lookin for somethin they can peck on.

this is a really good point..

especially the last sentence

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker

I was at Aqueduct today but it could have been happened anywhere. There was a first time starter listed at something like 8-1 in the ML and went off at close to 2-1. As my friend was walking away from the windows he over heard some one saying that the trainer had put $$$ down on the horse. He also said that the he heard someone say that the morning clocker was given the wrong name for the horse when this horse worked out in the morning. There was no way this horse would have been bet down with the published works 1:03 +/- for the last two work.

I guess I wouldn't have cared or bothered to post this if the horse didn't win but it actually won and and won for fun, I think the horse drew off by 8 - 10 lengths.

My questions to you guys are:

Do you think this is a common practice among certain trainers and is it unaoivdable?

Should we basically ignore the published work outs horse in the mornings?

LOL well i know you dont expect it to be published info when any1 in the barn is gonna bet trainer included but ill answer your questions. some trainers to work their horses slow, even some of the top ones, big example:asmussen! here locally in chicago mike reavis' whos one of the top trainers here works em slow! i wouldnt say completely ignore workouts but focus more on the work pattern than the times. focusing on the times cant hurt alot unless if you know the shape of the track each individual morning which might be way different come a few hours when the races start. best advice i can give which seems quite obvious is dont invest large chunks of your bankroll into maiden races

[Payson Dave]

Imho.. How a horse works is more important than the time of the workout...might have been a slow first eighth of a published 5F work that was actually a 4F work...Certain barns frequently will work a horse from different poles and not ending at the finish line....what gets published is usually the portion that ends at the finish... For the most part the clockers do try to get it right.
On the NY circuit at least...When it comes to maidens, the money in the exotic pools almost always seems to show who is live.