Flower Alley

[Danzig]

i agree that bernardini has much to prove.

as for bro derek, i think i've sold that horse short in the past. two hard races, both with HUGE reasons why that horse coulda/shoulda thrown in the towel, but didn't.

that horse may be a lot of things, but heartless derek isn't.

[blackthroatedwind]

Suggesting he called Todd a liar is more than a little harsh, and you know that, and as someone with a little experience in this game I think you know exactly what that poster was inferring. Believe it or not, people tend to not tell the whole story more than occasionally in this game. I am with the other poster that Flower Alley more than likely had some sort of problem. Luckily it wasn't enough to end his career, as he's a very nice horse, and God knows we need more good horses. Some of the dreck that have been competing in our so-called marquee races for older horses don't even belong in competitive Grade 3s.

I have always liked Flower Alley ever since the insane ride Chavez gave him in the Derby, and don't disagree that as of now he has as much right to be the top older horse as any in the country. However, I am not going to get worked up over his win today against four overmatched opponents ( no, they weren't slugs, but they were hardly a noteworthy bunch ). And, just as we would have forgiven him had he struggled in the mud, we should also at least entertain the possibility that he relished it. I highly doubt you are one to draw conclusive opinions from wet track races...either positively or negatively.

Let's also keep in mind that this is a barn that fires on all cylanders when running fresh horses. More than a few have looked great early only to fizzle out badly. I doubt I need to supply any examples as they are plentiful.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Suggesting he called Todd a liar is more than a little harsh, and you know that, and as someone with a little experience in this game I think you know exactly what that poster was inferring. Believe it or not, people tend to not tell the whole story more than occasionally in this game. I am with the other poster that Flower Alley more than likely had some sort of problem. Luckily it wasn't enough to end his career, as he's a very nice horse, and God knows we need more good horses. Some of the dreck that have been competing in our so-called marquee races for older horses don't even belong in competitive Grade 3s.

I have always liked Flower Alley ever since the insane ride Chavez gave him in the Derby, and don't disagree that as of now he has as much right to be the top older horse as any in the country. However, I am not going to get worked up over his win today against four overmatched opponents ( no, they weren't slugs, but they were hardly a noteworthy bunch ). And, just as we would have forgiven him had he struggled in the mud, we should also at least entertain the possibility that he relished it. I highly doubt you are one to draw conclusive opinions from wet track races...either positively or negatively.

Let's also keep in mind that this is a barn that fires on all cylanders when running fresh horses. More than a few have looked great early only to fizzle out badly. I doubt I need to supply any examples as they are plentiful.

Black he said in todays DRF that there was no setback. Like you both I was thinking the same thing until I read that. Todd is indeed tight lipped, but for him to offer that up tells me that there was no setback. He could have avoided that question in a variety of ways, he said no setback.

[blackthroatedwind]

God, I hope that's not the first half-truth ever printed in a newspaper.

I like and respect Todd, but pardon me if I remain skeptical, I've just been around this game too long to be otherwise.

Boldruler you are out one night(hypothetically) and you see an ADA or a DA or a judge who has had too many drinks pinching the rear end of a woman who is definitely not his wife, do you broadcast it to everyone? Or do you keep it on the down low?
Thats the point, you don't get it. If Joel was just some guy who wasn't involved in the game it woudl be different. But hes not. To be honest with you anyone who read that within the game wouldnt trust Joel as far as they could throw them. Noone wants to talk to or hang with guys looking to broadcast that kind of stuff. He broke the code, and he damn well knows it.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Boldruler you are out one night(hypothetically) and you see an ADA or a DA or a judge who has had too many drinks pinching the rear end of a woman who is definitely not his wife, do you broadcast it to everyone? Or do you keep it on the down low?
Thats the point, you don't get it. If Joel was just some guy who wasn't involved in the game it woudl be different. But hes not. To be honest with you anyone who read that within the game wouldnt trust Joel as far as they could throw them. Noone wants to talk to or hang with guys looking to broadcast that kind of stuff. He broke the code, and he damn well knows it.

I get your point and probably should drop off the discussion because I don't know enough about the business. Seems like you are being a little hard on the guy for a comment though.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Boldruler you are out one night(hypothetically) and you see an ADA or a DA or a judge who has had too many drinks pinching the rear end of a woman who is definitely not his wife, do you broadcast it to everyone? Or do you keep it on the down low?
Thats the point, you don't get it. If Joel was just some guy who wasn't involved in the game it woudl be different. But hes not. To be honest with you anyone who read that within the game wouldnt trust Joel as far as they could throw them. Noone wants to talk to or hang with guys looking to broadcast that kind of stuff. He broke the code, and he damn well knows it.

You are over-reacting.....there is no secret society here.....I don't understand it at all....if I would have seen the guy out at a bar cheating on his wife then that would qualify as something that is NOT acceptable to post....I totally disagree that my original post was out of line, especially since SEVERAL fans heard it.....I never published it in the Courier Journal, I just mentioned it on this thread...Is it really that big of a deal?

One of the best pieces of advice that I got from my father was to "Don't sweat the small stuff"....there is probably way more important things to do on a beautiful Sunday afternoon than to get worked up over this thread...i don't understand

[Danzig]

another saying i like is 'is this the hill you want to die on?'

Originally Posted by Danzig188

another saying i like is 'is this the hill you want to die on?'

Nice..........

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well I guess I was right about it being by design that he started late this year, Pletcher said no setbacks on the front page of the DRF today. he just ran on a wet track in his 2006 debut and just switched leads late and crushed em with a great last 1/4. All you guys who were chiding me about saying hes the best this year, no doubt, and where has he been blah blah. Well hes back, and back in style and hes going to be the head honcho this year!!!!!! Eat that BOYS!!!

Head honcho of what? Eat what Coward?