Pletcher@#$@$%

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

big trainers on big days

Exactly!!!

[Withers]

Heck, shouldn't we be giving Pletcher's assistant trainers all the credit here? After all, Pletcher hasn't even been around until the last couple of weeks, due to the suspension, right? I just wish he were a bit more colorful/charismatic. Leno should put Pletcher on and try to get the guy to be a bit more humorous. I still think that trainers like Baffert (Mr. Colorful, and that hair!), Frankel (Brooklyn Jerk), Servis (Mr. Everyman), Tagg (Pessimism Incarnate), or Ritchey (with his hearty 2 mile gallops) are all better for the sport than Pletcher with his 34 colts at 12 gazillion tracks: "Huh? which one is that bay out there Anthony/Seth/Michelle/Tristan?" OK, that's not fair, I bet he recognizes the colts and their corresponding deposits on his bank statements, but still...200 horses? 5 assistant trainers? I'm undoubtedly jealous, guy's still under 40, right? I'm just saying that the guys is an excellent MANAGER at this point (of owners and his assistants), more than an amazing trainer; I really doubt that he sees much of the horses. Aaaaaah, sweet success...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cardus

The word that I use on days like this, when Pletcher looks like he is emceeing the day's broadcast, is embarrassing.

It's embarrassing that he wins race after race on these big days.

I agree, it leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

I just don't think its good for racing either to have this huge super trainer winning, whatever it is 50 - 80 million dollars per year.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I agree, it leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

I just don't think its good for racing either to have this huge super trainer winning, whatever it is 50 - 80 million dollars per year.

His mentor Lukas use to do it...well maybe 25 - 40 million back then

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Doesn't it make you happy that Pletcher isn't based at Arlington?

You know I never thought about it until you said that, but yes it does.
We already have one mini-super trainer over here, Catalano, but he mainly deals in the claimers. Its not like he is sweeping all the stakes races.

[Scav]

And when Pletcher horses ship here they get grossly overbet, he hasn't won too many here actually...I am not even going to go on my English Channel tirade

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

You know I never thought about it until you said that, but yes it does.
We already have one mini-super trainer over here, Catalano, but he mainly deals in the claimers. Its not like he is sweeping all the stakes races.

AND he's beatable in some of those claiming races. If you pick your spots right, there is a ton of money to be made betting against the Calabrese/Catalano horse in Arlington sellers.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

AND he's beatable in some of those claiming races. If you pick your spots right, there is a ton of money to be made betting against the Calabrese/Catalano horse in Arlington sellers.

Oh hell yes. I spend the whole meet playing against low priced Calabrese/Catalano runners.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Oh hell yes. I spend the whole meet playing against low priced Calabrese/Catalano runners.

lol, not me, I love pain

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

lol, not me, I love pain

you secretly unload on Laviolette several times a week, thats where you find your pain.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cardus

It's funny that you mentioned Catalano. I was going to ask you if he fits the "Super Trainer" profile. I know that he wins a lot for Calabrese.

Not much for him between Crypto Star and Dreaming of Anna in terms of national exposure, right? (He does train Dreaming of Anna, no?)

He doesn't exactly fit the mold of a super trainer, like a Pletcher. he is just a local high percentage guy. They do a lot of claiming and then they drop the horse in class and try to win several races before they are claimed away.

The success rate of horses that are claimed off of him is not good. In fact, they almost never win back.

Yes he does train Dreaming of Anna.