Democrats Disingenous in Their Rhetoric

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Timm, I'm a believer that bad government is a bad thing, but I'm also a believer that good government is a very good thing (Social Security virtually wiping out elderly poverty, for example). So someone having the balls to say that a good government could run, for example, health care, better than the free market doesn't exactly bother me. Seeing as how two-thirds of the insurance industry's overhead is denying claims, I just don't see our system as effective. Not to mention the job loss overseas because health costs are so expensive here.

I think the Repubs did an excellent job taking over the argument on health care, and scaring the bejeezus out of people. And I don't think it was the crisis in 1993 that it's rapidly becoming. But Hillary was ahead of us with her push, and I'm willing to gamble before the end of my life (assuming I'm lucky enough to have a long one) I'll see a national health care system in place. For the love of Pete, Wal-Mart is advocating for it. And you don't get more anti-worker, red-state than Wal-Mart. Yes, because it will save Wal-Mart money, but fine. Once things reach a point where more conservative businesses and liberal activists are seeing the same problem, we'll start getting somewhere. But I think it'll take gov't, with its moderately paid service workers, to make it run well (the one thing no one ever accuses the Social Security administration of is inefficiency).

We aren't the bravest when it comes to change, we Americans. It takes something really big, like a Great Depression, to wake us up. And I'm not buying the standard right-wing rhetoric that government is the root of all evil.

(And if Wal-Mart really starts putting its money where its mouth is on pushing for national health care, I'll happily start shopping there again.)

And we need to raise minimum retirement to 70. People live longer, they can work longer, as far as I'm concerned. I'm willing to.

i'll be damned! i have absolutely no intention of working until i'm about to breathe my last. but unlike some, my husband i are putting away for retirement, i'll pay my own way.
as for social security, i think it stinks that the people who never paid a dime into it get to take money out of it. i don't get back what i pay in, as i have to pay for those who never paid in. no wonder it's going broke. that's why i'm not crazy about the govt running health care-look at all the fraud and waste with medicare alone-what would happen if they ran it for everyone? i can just imagine.
as for wal-mart, many of those who are eligible for health care from them, and elsewhere, don't take it. why? because they're covered elsewhere. only one-third of those eligible where i work take it-i don't, i'm covered already by my husbands company. looking at raw #'s of people who work for a company vs those who are covered doesn't explain what is really going on...if you took my company into consideration, we'd look like we didn't care to cover two thirds of our workers, when in fact they didn't sign up.
it's amazing to me how many won't take coverage-i'm never sick they claim. all it takes is one time.

then there's the gal who threw the whole packet in the trash when she made 90 days. two months later she's pregnant--and didn't sign up for the short term disability she was eligible for, that would have paid her while she was off on maternity leave. i think it would have taken about a buck a week out of her check. stupidity!