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DaHoss,

Thanks for the "welcome," although I must say that I feel somewhat less than welcome.

In post #17 of this thread, blackthroatedwind (or whatever his moniker is), said, in reply to BBB: "You won't 'out handicap' them." So, it's not exactly true that no one has questioned, at least to some extent, the ability of the gentleman to handicap. In reply, I merely related my own observations of BBB's handicapping prowess.

Adding my own thoughts on the subject, I would agree that the proposition "you won't out handicap them" is accurate insofar as the Pick 6 is concerned. There, the carryover provides the profit potential, and generally you have to make a healthy-sized bet in order to be in a position to take full advantage of it. However, as far as the no-carryover Pick 4 goes, no matter the size of your plays you have to "out-handicap" most others in order to win in the long run. As BBB is mostly a Pick 4 player, his concept of out-handicapping others is not just reasonable, it is essential.

As far as me "plugging" another forum is concerned, believe me that was the farthest thing from my mind, as I have no interest in promoting anyhthing. I included the reference to the other forum as a convenience for readers who may be interested in checking out whether what I said regarding BBB's record is true -- they can go to the forum and look into the matter -- although I am not sure how far back the archived posts go.

Finally, I've only been a member of this board for a few weeks and I've not reviewed a large number of threads, so I am not sure if this particular thread is representative, but if BBB has taken on some kind of an attitude or an air of superiority here, as you imply, perhaps it is because he has been forced into a defensive posture by the remarks of others. That has been my experience, at least, after but a single trip to the post (no pun intended) on this circuit.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

welcome ......im glad your posting....in regaurds to b-3..he has made many comments about his "god like' capping ability...however..he seems to know what he is doing...yet his claims are far fetched as far as what he has put out on this board...so wile he may have done well on another board.. his results here are suspect....many of the regulars on this board have put out on a daily and weekly basis good and accrurate plays for all to use..this sites founder for one steve byk a pro player in his own right...has made money for the masses from day one..we as a whole are a very well educated horse board and there are many good opinions here..so again welcome...






hooves..

[Scav]

Originally Posted by RealBigD

DaHoss,

Thanks for the "welcome," although I must say that I feel somewhat less than welcome.

In post #17 of this thread, blackthroatedwind (or whatever his moniker is), said, in reply to BBB: "You won't 'out handicap' them." So, it's not exactly true that no one has questioned, at least to some extent, the ability of the gentleman to handicap. In reply, I merely related my own observations of BBB's handicapping prowess.

Adding my own thoughts on the subject, I would agree that the proposition "you won't out handicap them" is accurate insofar as the Pick 6 is concerned. There, the carryover provides the profit potential, and generally you have to make a healthy-sized bet in order to be in a position to take full advantage of it. However, as far as the no-carryover Pick 4 goes, no matter the size of your plays you have to "out-handicap" most others in order to win in the long run. As BBB is mostly a Pick 4 player, his concept of out-handicapping others is not just reasonable, it is essential.

As far as me "plugging" another forum is concerned, believe me that was the farthest thing from my mind, as I have no interest in promoting anyhthing. I included the reference to the other forum as a convenience for readers who may be interested in checking out whether what I said regarding BBB's record is true -- they can go to the forum and look into the matter -- although I am not sure how far back the archived posts go.

Finally, I've only been a member of this board for a few weeks and I've not reviewed a large number of threads, so I am not sure if this particular thread is representative, but if BBB has taken on some kind of an attitude or an air of superiority here, as you imply, perhaps it is because he has been forced into a defensive posture by the remarks of others. That has been my experience, at least, after but a single trip to the post (no pun intended) on this circuit.

You write really well (not trying to bust your balls, serious skills right there)

To respond to above, it is great around here but the one piece of advice that I can give ANY new person is self-promotion. That will get you the most crap. You will get all the praise in the world when you hit a bomb, just don't be asking for it, you feel me?

I mean, when I grab something huge, like the Delta Downs hit from a while back, I mainly post the tickets to 'prove' that I have it, and also to possibly help someone with structuring tickets, which I feel I am above average with. I have stayed away from the whole BBB thing because alot of it is insane, but he started off on the wrong foot, I don't see you doing that whatsoever

Scav:

I appreciate your nice comments about my writing; thank you. I get lots of practice as I am a lawyer by trade.

DaHoss:

I'm not sure what you mean to imply by saying that it is "very coincidental" that I am making my first posts here. Basically, until now I have had little or nothing to contribute. I have been handicapping for many years, but I joined here just a few weeks ago. I work full time (see above), and my wife and I had our first baby three and a half months ago -- I could provide a link to baby pics but would not want to be accused of "plugging" my son. So, while I love racing and handicapping, unfortunately I have had little opportunity to follow the sport recently, as other responsibilities have been keeping me rather busy. I'm hoping that will change in the coming months.

The dialogue here is on a high plane -- there are indeed many fine handicappers and analysts on this board -- and bottom line is that I haven't had anything to say that would advance the discussion. The one exception is that I do have some first-hand knowledge of BBB, so I decided to share that.

I look forward to participating on the board as time will allow, and I hope to develop a good relationship with everyone here. Let's be friends. Good luck.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by RealBigD

Scav:

I appreciate your nice comments about my writing; thank you. I get lots of practice as I am a lawyer by trade.

DaHoss:

I'm not sure what you mean to imply by saying that it is "very coincidental" that I am making my first posts here. Basically, until now I have had little or nothing to contribute. I have been handicapping for many years, but I joined here just a few weeks ago. I work full time (see above), and my wife and I had our first baby three and a half months ago -- I could provide a link to baby pics but would not want to be accused of "plugging" my son. So, while I love racing and handicapping, unfortunately I have had little opportunity to follow the sport recently, as other responsibilities have been keeping me rather busy. I'm hoping that will change in the coming months.

The dialogue here is on a high plane -- there are indeed many fine handicappers and analysts on this board -- and bottom line is that I haven't had anything to say that would advance the discussion. The one exception is that I do have some first-hand knowledge of BBB, so I decided to share that.

I look forward to participating on the board as time will allow, and I hope to develop a good relationship with everyone here. Let's be friends. Good luck.

You really need to stick around now, I always do stupid things and could use a lawyer to talk to. Next time I do something ridiculous, you'll be the first person I PM

Scav,

If you get busted in Louisiana, I can help you. Elsewhere, you're on your own. But I'm always willing to offer advice.

[hailrazer]

Originally Posted by RealBigD

Scav,

If you get busted in Louisiana, I can help you. Elsewhere, you're on your own. But I'm always willing to offer advice.

Dear RealBigD,

I have recently gotten myself into a pickle and was wondering if you could help me out. I don't want to reveal my true identity here so lets just say my name is "Nole Corman". I recently accidentally killed a woman while at the wheel. Lots of suspicion due to reports from other drivers that I was driving erratically before the collision. I'm back home in Louisiana now but the crash happened in Ark. Any chance you can keep me from being hauled back to Hot Springs to face the music?

All My Love,
Nole

Originally Posted by hailrazer

Dear RealBigD,

I have recently gotten myself into a pickle and was wondering if you could help me out. I don't want to reveal my true identity here so lets just say my name is "Nole Corman". I recently accidentally killed a woman while at the wheel. Lots of suspicion due to reports from other drivers that I was driving erratically before the collision. I'm back home in Louisiana now but the crash happened in Ark. Any chance you can keep me from being hauled back to Hot Springs to face the music?

All My Love,
Nole

Dear Nole,

Sorry, but you are a longshot to avoid prosecution in Arkansas. Please be aware that you face a sentence of 3 to 10 years of imprisonment if you are found to have been intoxicated at the time of the crash. I advise you to retain an Arkansas attorney if you've not done so already.

Some have said that you -- and your horses -- could benefit from a long period of detoxification. I wish you the best.

RBD

Do you really have a real big d?

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Do you really have a real big d?

As far as how I chose my forum name, it's a long story (pun intended). But the answer is, not particularly.

[blackthroatedwind]

Am I the only one that finds it extremely amusing that everytime there is a BBB discussion some " poster " comes out of the woodwork with his ( or her ) first post telling us about all his successes and giving us a link to another board? Of course, they can't reference his plays here, as all of those have been losing ones.

It's kind of the handicapping version of " you should see the other guy ".



By the way, the entire notion of " out-handicapping " someones shows a complete misunderstanding of what playing the horses is all about. There are a lot of terrific handicappers out there who have no clue whatsoever how to make money. The most successful horseplayer I know, and he's VERY successful, has a terrible opinion. I think I'm a pretty good handicapper....I also probably chose the wrong road.

This thread gets my approval. Five markers.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Am I the only one that finds it extremely amusing that everytime there is a BBB discussion some " poster " comes out of the woodwork with his ( or her ) first post telling us about all his successes and giving us a link to another board? Of course, they can't reference his plays here, as all of those have been losing ones.

It's kind of the handicapping version of " you should see the other guy ".



By the way, the entire notion of " out-handicapping " someones shows a complete misunderstanding of what playing the horses is all about. There are a lot of terrific handicappers out there who have no clue whatsoever how to make money. The most successful horseplayer I know, and he's VERY successful, has a terrible opinion. I think I'm a pretty good handicapper....I also probably chose the wrong road.

word

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

word times 2..and im done with this...andy you really have done enough..lol..

[Scav]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

word times 2..and im done with this...andy you really have done enough..lol..

Retire Andy, you could make some money in the shed

[packerbacker7964]

I guess I'd like to add bet your own way. It's your cash do with it what you want. I know people who box 3-4 every race. An old man at the OTB bet his house number for a Super at GP and hit for $48,000. I bet $6-$10 a race. Other than pick 3's every once in awhile I'll bet a large win bet $100 or less. I need to learn how to only bet races I can win without going $30-$50 deep. I hate spending almost a 1/3 of my bankroll on one bet. Not knocking others ways to bet more just saying not everyone bets the same way. Just like Al Davis says "just win baby" that's the bottom line.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Am I the only one that finds it extremely amusing that everytime there is a BBB discussion some " poster " comes out of the woodwork with his ( or her ) first post telling us about all his successes and giving us a link to another board? Of course, they can't reference his plays here, as all of those have been losing ones.

It's kind of the handicapping version of " you should see the other guy ".



By the way, the entire notion of " out-handicapping " someones shows a complete misunderstanding of what playing the horses is all about. There are a lot of terrific handicappers out there who have no clue whatsoever how to make money. The most successful horseplayer I know, and he's VERY successful, has a terrible opinion. I think I'm a pretty good handicapper....I also probably chose the wrong road.

Andy, this may not be the best thread to ask this question (probably needs it's own), but I find your third to last sentence above VERY interesting! Would you mind elaborating?

[blackthroatedwind]

There is a wide chasm of difference between having good opinions and turning them into real profits. Take the counter example, how many times have you left the track feeling like you had good opinions, where some won, and you don't feel like you capitalized on them as well as you should or could have? I would guess that most would answer somewhere around " frequently ". There is a substantial difference between having good opinions and putting them together in a way, at the windows, that profits genuinely from them. As one is going to have many more days of mediocre opinions/results than the opposite it is extraordinarily important to take advantage of the opportunities you get.

This is frankly why I consider it of the utmost importance to bet. Putting down opinions on paper, while perhaps a fun exercise, causes no pain, and it is only in the pain of losing that one will be forced to try and correct their mistakes. Learning to construct winning tickets ( whether it's exactas, triples, supers, doubles, Pick-3s, Pick-4s or Pick-6s ) is the true exercise that will teach you to at least have a chance to win. Learning to identify traps, or situations where spreading is necessary, can really only be exposed when you constantly cause yourself pain by making the wrong move. Consider it sort of a horseplayer's Pavlov's Dog exercise. Some people will continue to make the same mistakes forever, and these are the ones that have a basic inability to admit their own fallacies, but the ones who really want to win, and ultimately will have a chance to, are the ones that learn to adapt. You cannot learn to adapt without betting at least enough money to cause yourself some pain when you lose.

Another reason people prevent themselves from having a chance to win is exposed in this thread, and that is the immature notion that it's a contest of who's smarter, and the winner is the best handicapper. A horseplayer has to get over that as the best handicapper is rarely also the best horseplayer. And the best horseplayer is the one who wins the most money.....and that is what playing this game is REALLY about.

[golfer]

If pain is the key to turning things around, I should be in good shape for the future... the last month has been very painful. I went out and played Gulfstream yesterday (didn't have time to post any picks, GOOD THING), it was a train wreck. How much time do you allot to figuring out where you went wrong?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by golfer

If pain is the key to turning things around, I should be in good shape for the future... the last month has been very painful. I went out and played Gulfstream yesterday (didn't have time to post any picks, GOOD THING), it was a train wreck. How much time do you allot to figuring out where you went wrong?

I wouldn't say I allot time, and often you sort of know where you went wrong, and sometimes you did the best you feel you could have and it just doesn't work out. But one has to spend some time at least going back over things and seeing what you may have missed or could have done differently.

It's subjective and virtually everybody has to try to keep learning as they go along. That goes for all of us.