Thoro-Graph

[Scav]

Originally Posted by golfer

Exactly right, I used the Thoro-pattern stats (over 75 percent to run an off or x race), plus this is just a pattern that I've seen so many times recently, I never look at it positively, just lately I've begun to look at it negatively.
Of course, had he been 15-1 instead of one of the favorites... I might have seen it differently.

2 things I've learned recently, #'s versus odds, if the odds are right, many patterns can look "good", and don't key a horse off an "effort" with less than 3 weeks rest (this one came from the Len Freidman, sorry JB).

I don't want to diss Freidman, fact is that I have heard many stories how the guy is just one of the best handicappers of all time, I heard this from of all people, a thorograph person. From what I have seen, that goes into those numbers, some of Freidman's numbers are skewed pretty heavily (The most recent one I remember was that El Prado horse (greely was the trainer) that ran huge race at Belmont two years ago, right before the BC) Comparing Rags vs TG in that specific horse was downright sickening and TG's number was alot more solid of a number in my opinion. I have heard that TG's are roughly 2-4 pts faster then Rags, this was about 9 points, if I remember correctly

[golfer]

I am an avid reader of both boards, Freidman posts his picks (and reasoning) for certain races every now and then. Jerry doesn't because he is selling the analysis (absolutely nothing wrong with this, but it does tend to limit pre-race discussions on the TG board). Which is why it is so great we can have those discussions here, with Steve and others. I started off using Rags in the mid 90's (bought them at the Meadowlands).. switched to TG's due to their customer friendly web-site and attitude. I have followed all of Jerry's statements about figure making and the difference between him and Ragozin.. what he says makes sense!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by golfer

I am an avid reader of both boards, Freidman posts his picks (and reasoning) for certain races every now and then. Jerry doesn't because he is selling the analysis (absolutely nothing wrong with this, but it does tend to limit pre-race discussions on the TG board). Which is why it is so great we can have those discussions here, with Steve and others. I started off using Rags in the mid 90's (bought them at the Meadowlands).. switched to TG's due to their customer friendly web-site and attitude. I have followed all of Jerry's statements about figure making and the difference between him and Ragozin.. what he says makes sense!

Yeah, I think his accessibity is a great thing. That alone helps his product as the guy that CREATES THEM and 'touts' them is there and available. I don't know much about Len and more so about the Len vs JB feud, but it is pretty darn comical at times. I wish Len would actually debate it but he is afraid IMO. I might be wrong about this though.