JAZIL....Most Overrated horse in the history of horse racing....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

Not sure I'm in the correct thread but I have 25-50K I'd like to spend on a mediocre racing prospect. I'd like to run 2nd in the GI Wood Memorial, then run 4th in the GI Kentucky Derby, and then win the GI Belmont Stakes. Any help would be appreciated in purchasing this type of mediocre animal.

If Jazil was a $25k horse then the story might have a little more appeal.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

jara did move to soon ..fyi

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If Jazil was a $25k horse then the story might have a little more appeal.

He's not a mediocre $25k horse....and that was my point. I don't think we're really that far apart of our opinions on him now that you revised it a few posts ago. He's not likely to accomplish what Funny Cide has due to what you stated earlier. They're aren't 1 1/2 mile races for him. Therefore he'll be left to pick up the pieces in the races that are available to him and probably make quite a bit of money in the process. I just don't consider any horse mediocre that picks up checks multiple times in graded events. Is he mediocre within the handicap division? Possibly. The rest of his career will tell.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

He's not a mediocre $25k horse....and that was my point. I don't think we're really that far apart of our opinions on him now that you revised it a few posts ago. He's not likely to accomplish what Funny Cide has due to what you stated earlier. They're aren't 1 1/2 mile races for him. Therefore he'll be left to pick up the pieces in the races that are available to him and probably make quite a bit of money in the process. I just don't consider any horse mediocre that picks up checks multiple times in graded events. Is he mediocre within the handicap division? Possibly. The rest of his career will tell.

I never revised my opinion on the horse . Until proven otherwise he is a 2nd tier handicap horse that needs a distance that he will not get and has a style that makes it tough for him on the dirt.

Picking up checks is great for those on the Dee Tee stable budget but you expect a little more from Classic winners. The fact that he has lost three times in three chances in allowances races does not lead me to believe that he is on his way to the head of the class anytime soon.

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never revised my opinion on the horse .

Ok, so maybe revised isn't a good word. Maybe clarified would be better. I agree that he is a mediocre classic winner, not that he is a mediocre horse.

[Gander]

Is he a horse that has won 2 races in Feb of his 4 year old year? Yes.

I dont get this? Jazil hasnt won any races since the Belmont Stakes. Can you explain?

Hooves, I wont argue with maybe Jara did move too early, but do you think it cost him any different finishing position? I know you stated a fact, regardless of how good Corinthian was, Jara may have movd too soon. But in my opinion if he waited he would have still been 2nd best, only maybe 3 lengths better at best.

And I dont get the whole "he only cost $25K" argument. Who the heck cares how much horses cost except for the owner? It should make no difference at all to the fans, none. Zip. Nada. The argument is how good a horse Jazil is compared to other triple crown winners.

Like Canon, I will stay firm with my opinion. Doesnt not make him a neat little horse. Ya like him, ya like him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gander

Is he a horse that has won 2 races in Feb of his 4 year old year? Yes.

I dont get this? Jazil hasnt won any races since the Belmont Stakes. Can you explain?

He is a four year old horse who owns two lifetime wins.

[Gander]

Okay, that makes sense Chuck.

2 lifetime wins is all? Sounds like a "Giacomo" to me.

Now that I think of it, the similarities are very significant.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never revised my opinion on the horse . Until proven otherwise he is a 2nd tier handicap horse that needs a distance that he will not get and has a style that makes it tough for him on the dirt.

Picking up checks is great for those on the Dee Tee stable budget but you expect a little more from Classic winners. The fact that he has lost three times in three chances in allowances races does not lead me to believe that he is on his way to the head of the class anytime soon.

Well,if he is so pathetic,then surely you will give me 10-1 odds on him winning a Grade 2 or better in 2007.If he is just gunna pick up minor checks,then you can easily pick up a hundred or 2 from SCUDS.Just give me a minimum of 5 starts(any level) in the rest of 2007.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,if he is so pathetic,then surely you will give me 10-1 odds on him winning a Grade 2 or better in 2007.If he is just gunna pick up minor checks,then you can easily pick up a hundred or 2 from SCUDS.Just give me a minimum of 5 starts(any level) in the rest of 2007.

How about I give you 10-1 that he doesn't make 5 more starts in 2007?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How about I give you 10-1 that he doesn't make 5 more starts in 2007?

That is a little aggressive....Bernardini made what, 7 total starts, maybe 6...plus if Jazil goes to Dubai, he doesn't get back on track until September, if at all.....bad bet in my opinion, the win bet though, has some teeth to it I think, but I am a 3rd party, so I should C my way out of it

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Scav

That is a little aggressive....Bernardini made what, 7 total starts, maybe 6...plus if Jazil goes to Dubai, he doesn't get back on track until September, if at all.....bad bet in my opinion, the win bet though, has some teeth to it I think, but I am a 3rd party, so I should C my way out of it

bern made 8 starts i believe.
and invasor wasn't out til september. so who knows?

and i note that above, when scuds first mentioned a bet, he was asking for a min 5 starts.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How about I give you 10-1 that he doesn't make 5 more starts in 2007?

Why would I bet that? Any of them can get a chip.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

scuds brother... i had to return for this.. i will give you 10-1 that he wont win a grade 2 or better this year, for any amount of money you want on it.