JAZIL....Most Overrated horse in the history of horse racing....

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Is this the only horse left in Pletcher's barn of that crop? At this time he wasn't even trained by Pletcher either.

Here are the horses trained by Pletcher nominated to the 05 Triple Crown. He still has English Channel! A couple others are still around like Master Command and Siphon City but amazing how many flops there were.

Argento
Bandini
Coin Silver
Confederation
Desert Breeze
Dubleo
English Channel
Flower Alley
Gato Grande
Guillaume Tell
Harbor Master
Harlington
Killenaule
King Valiant
Kristali
Landslide
Look No Further
Maillol
Malheur
Master Command
Monarch Lane
More Than Somewhat
Morning Raider
Nophone
Proud Accolade
Remuneration
Siphon City
Storming
Sundrop
Tales Not Told
Unbridled Harmony
Vicarage
Wall Street
Yes Yes Yes

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Here are the horses trained by Pletcher nominated to the 05 Triple Crown. He still has English Channel! A couple others are still around like Master Command and Siphon City but amazing how many flops there were.

Argento
Bandini
Coin Silver
Confederation
Desert Breeze
Dubleo
English Channel
Flower Alley
Gato Grande
Guillaume Tell
Harbor Master
Harlington
Killenaule
King Valiant
Kristali
Landslide
Look No Further
Maillol
Malheur
Master Command
Monarch Lane
More Than Somewhat
Morning Raider
Nophone
Proud Accolade
Remuneration
Siphon City
Storming
Sundrop
Tales Not Told
Unbridled Harmony
Vicarage
Wall Street
Yes Yes Yes

To be fair I should list some of the other trainers to show that they too had busts. Here are some of the other big ones:

Baffert
Brave Charmer
By Sunday
Cat Robber
Chips Are Down
Christian Eagle
Devil's Bay
Fusaichi Rock Star
Just My Game
One Smart Deputy
Roman Ruler
Threesixtysecurity
Tice

Shug
Defer
Minister's Joy
Sea Heather
Survivalist
Wrapped

Lukas
Big Top Cat
Cat Stalker
Consolidator
Defy The Odds
Going Wild
Ground Control
High Octane
Plunkit
Silent Bid
Tetrahedron
Thievery

McLaughlin
Angliana
Closing Argument
Jim's Smokin Pinot
Tashdeed
Tejwaal
War Front
War Plan

Zito
Andromeda's Hero
Bluff
Chief Commander
D'Court's Speed
Electric Light
Father Weist
G P's Black Knight
Indy Storm
Irish Bulldog
Last Samurai
Noble Causeway
Pinpoint
Sun King
Ultimate
(Bellamy Road was nominated under Dickinson)

Frankel
Apprentice
Chattahoochee War
Declaration
First Word
High Limit
Kingsgate Bay
Muito Melhor
Olympic
Pay Off Time
Quest To Peak
Saint Anddan
Sir Halory
Vitruvian
Whole Nine Yards
Wholly Smackles
Zap

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

To be fair I should list some of the other trainers to show that they too had busts. Here are some of the other big ones:

Baffert
Brave Charmer
By Sunday
Cat Robber
Chips Are Down
Christian Eagle
Devil's Bay
Fusaichi Rock Star
Just My Game
One Smart Deputy
Roman Ruler
Threesixtysecurity
Tice

Shug
Defer
Minister's Joy
Sea Heather
Survivalist
Wrapped

Lukas
Big Top Cat
Cat Stalker
Consolidator
Defy The Odds
Going Wild
Ground Control
High Octane
Plunkit
Silent Bid
Tetrahedron
Thievery

McLaughlin
Angliana
Closing Argument
Jim's Smokin Pinot
Tashdeed
Tejwaal
War Front
War Plan

Zito
Andromeda's Hero
Bluff
Chief Commander
D'Court's Speed
Electric Light
Father Weist
G P's Black Knight
Indy Storm
Irish Bulldog
Last Samurai
Noble Causeway
Pinpoint
Sun King
Ultimate
(Bellamy Road was nominated under Dickinson)

Frankel
Apprentice
Chattahoochee War
Declaration
First Word
High Limit
Kingsgate Bay
Muito Melhor
Olympic
Pay Off Time
Quest To Peak
Saint Anddan
Sir Halory
Vitruvian
Whole Nine Yards
Wholly Smackles
Zap

ha,ha, there was a horse named Wholly Smackles?
I'd say Zito put in the top performance trainer-wise on the Triple Crown nominations without having the Big Horse of the year.

A few of these raced recently:
Saint Anddan
Noble C
Angliana
Tice

I guess if anything it shows the casualties of the Triple Crown Trail and/or how little a decent win late in the 2nd year or early in the 3rd really means.

Wholly Smackles....

[slotdirt]

I'm just going back and looking at the title of this thread, and I had to laugh. The most overrated horse in the HISTORY of horse racing?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm just going back and looking at the title of this thread, and I had to laugh. The most overrated horse in the HISTORY of horse racing?

Maybe it will land Jazil in the Hall of Fame?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm just going back and looking at the title of this thread, and I had to laugh. The most overrated horse in the HISTORY of horse racing?

that's what i said in the other thread, most in the history? that's a lot of horses to compare him to-and many got far more hype then he-who imo hasn't got any!

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Here are the horses trained by Pletcher nominated to the 05 Triple Crown. He still has English Channel! A couple others are still around like Master Command and Siphon City but amazing how many flops there were.

Argento
Bandini
Coin Silver
Confederation
Desert Breeze
Dubleo
English Channel
Flower Alley
Gato Grande
Guillaume Tell
Harbor Master
Harlington
Killenaule
King Valiant
Kristali
Landslide
Look No Further
Maillol
Malheur
Master Command
Monarch Lane
More Than Somewhat
Morning Raider
Nophone
Proud Accolade
Remuneration
Siphon City
Storming
Sundrop
Tales Not Told
Unbridled Harmony
Vicarage
Wall Street
Yes Yes Yes

Kristali may be my riding horse soon. Seriously. I'm not kidding.

Yes Yes Yes is a useful allowance, listed stake-type sprinter...

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Here are the horses trained by Pletcher nominated to the 05 Triple Crown. He still has English Channel! A couple others are still around like Master Command and Siphon City but amazing how many flops there were.

Argento
Bandini
Coin Silver
Confederation
Desert Breeze
Dubleo
English Channel
Flower Alley
Gato Grande
Guillaume Tell
Harbor Master
Harlington
Killenaule
King Valiant
Kristali
Landslide
Look No Further
Maillol
Malheur
Master Command
Monarch Lane
More Than Somewhat
Morning Raider
Nophone
Proud Accolade
Remuneration
Siphon City
Storming
Sundrop
Tales Not Told
Unbridled Harmony
Vicarage
Wall Street
Yes Yes Yes

One of them worked.....the fabulous Harlington...

Harlington
Your Comment: Rahy-Serena's Song (BH conf. series)

Date: 02/08/2007
Track: WINDING OAKS FARM
Distance: Three Furlongs
Time: 38:40 Breezing
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 3/7

[Left Bank]

Brother Derek is the biggest overrated horse in my book!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

A couple of Brother Derek's '06 performances were very overrated....however, he's a little better horse than Jazil....whom he dead-heated with, for 4th, in the '06 Derby.

An opinion on Jazil is like an opinion on the new $20.00 bill. Yours is shared by many no matter what it is. Usually, these opinions are borrowed , as much ink has been spilled writing about his races.

A real opinion on a horse would be something provocative on Little Cherokee.

He ran in yesterdays ninth in NY, as the default post time favorite for two gate scratches. Multi-race ticket pain. Mr. Tater would be an interesting horse to have an opinion on too.


Don't fight over horses. Fight over bets on horses.

[slotdirt]

I'd say Brother Derek was definitely more overrated than Jazil at one point. Now, however, Brother Derek's kind of like the Funny Cide of the handicap division, that is, with his faculties still in tact, of course. Nowadays, Jazil is probably the more highly regarded horse.

[Mac88]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'd say Brother Derek was definitely more overrated than Jazil at one point. Now, however, Brother Derek's kind of like the Funny Cide of the handicap division, that is, with his faculties still in tact, of course. Nowadays, Jazil is probably the more highly regarded horse.

I think a bit of the luster surrounding Brother Derek will begin to fade. AN ok but over rated Derby performance that he has not backed up. Decent fourth in BC Classic but definately bias aided. SInce then some OK efforts out west. He is what he is.