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[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Gander

I wonder how or why the League allowed this to end in 6 games? Losing out on all that revenue from a game 7? We all know this league is all a bunch of smoke and mirrors, I am completely in shock this thing was allowed to be over in 6. But very glad too. I hate the NBA.

Guess they wanted to have the parade by this weekend. That is all everyone is talking about around here.

Only watched it because my husband was watching and everyone around here was talking about it. Not a big NBA fan myself. I like Baseball and horses. Some football is ok, just not in large doses.

[whorstman]

Contrary to popular belief, the league does not control the games. However I would not be suprised if they tell the refs to look one way or the other on fouls to maybe help the cause.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

To me,what Phil did on Sunday was almost win a major with poor driving(in the one major that is least tolerant of poor driving.)The fact that he went to the well one too many times(with the great 2nd shots=recovery shots)is not a huge choke to me.What Monty did was choke in it's purest form ever.What the Mavs did was a true choke also.They had a huge chance to win games 3,5,and 6.Simply threw those bricks up every time they needed to hit shots.They didn't do that in the previous 2 series.They choked huge.Not as huge as Monty did though.Damn that Monty is a choke.They should start a museum in Nebraska or something to note these things.Call it the "HALL OF CHOKE." These Euros would be in the 1st room you walk into. Up 1st would be Van de Velde.2nd would be Monty.3rd would be another Frenchman named Thomas Levet in the British Open in 2002.4th would be fellow Euro Thomas BJORN.Most people remember that he choked away the 2003 British Open.Most don't know that he went into the final round of the 2005 Smurfit European Open with a 4 shot lead,and then shot a round of 86(14 shots over par)to finish in a tie for 33rd.I saw the man do the following,and will never forget it.....

"...Björn’s misfortune began when his brave attempt to find the green in two at the par five 16th narrowly failed and when the ball rolled into the water hazard, it led to a bogey six. However, it was nothing compared to the 17th hole where he put three balls into the water from the tee to run up a septuple bogey 11.

A closing bogey six as the heavens poured down saw him finish with an 86 and a share of 33rd place on six over par 294..."


http://www.europeantour.com/default....reportid=50815



All the teams and players mentioned above are talented,and have had success in their fields of competition(yes,even Van de Velde found a way to hold on this year to win something minor...although he did choke the French Open away last year.)

http://www.europeantour.com/default....reportid=50806

The biggest chokers are actually very talented(after all, they are in a position to win,and that should not go unnoticed,because that is a sign of their talent.)

[Gander]

Scuds- I think Phil choked. He hit a horrible tee shot on 18. Forget the fact that he shouldnt have been hitting driver off the 18th tee to begin with, but the shot itself was way off to the left, I mean that was pulled a good 60-70 yards to the left. He was lucky that tent was there. That would have rolled and rolled and rolled.

Anyone with his talent should pull a drive like that off in somewhat of a decent manner. The guy has won 3 majors, dont even start to tell me the pressure was too much to handle. That wasnt a very hard tee shot. He
f-ucked up.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Gander

Scuds- I think Phil choked. He hit a horrible tee shot on 18. Forget the fact that he shouldnt have been hitting driver off the 18th tee to begin with, but the shot itself was way off to the left, I mean that was pulled a good 60-70 yards to the left. He was lucky that tent was there. That would have rolled and rolled and rolled.

Anyone with his talent should pull a drive like that off in somewhat of a decent manner. The guy has won 3 majors, dont even start to tell me the pressure was too much to handle. That wasnt a very hard tee shot. He
f-ucked up.

*pushed, in the leftys case...not pulled*

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by GPK

*pushed, in the leftys case...not pulled*

Tread lightly...I'm a lefty....

[GPK]

Originally Posted by dr.***er

Tread lightly...I'm a lefty....

Bill, you have more class in your pinky than Mickelson ever dreamed of having.

Originally Posted by GPK

*pushed, in the leftys case...not pulled*

Push is being nice. He shoved it into the tent. When a player hits a drive like that on the last hole... I cant even call that a drive. He had hit bad drives, but that was an out and out crater shot. He lost it. It was almost like he hit it off the end of his club.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Push is being nice. He shoved it into the tent. When a player hits a drive like that on the last hole... I cant even call that a drive. He had hit bad drives, but that was an out and out crater shot. He lost it. It was almost like he hit it off the end of his club.

What are the chances that Tiger would have hit driver on the 18 tee with that lead. He would have hit that low stinging 2 iron down the middle of the fairway, hit a short iron to the middle of the green, 2 putts later..no sweat. Another reason Phil will never be in Tiger's league. The mental discipline simply isn't there for him.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Gander

Scuds- I think Phil choked. He hit a horrible tee shot on 18. Forget the fact that he shouldnt have been hitting driver off the 18th tee to begin with, but the shot itself was way off to the left, I mean that was pulled a good 60-70 yards to the left. He was lucky that tent was there. That would have rolled and rolled and rolled.

Anyone with his talent should pull a drive like that off in somewhat of a decent manner. The guy has won 3 majors, dont even start to tell me the pressure was too much to handle. That wasnt a very hard tee shot. He
f-ucked up.

I doubt he'd been in that situation if he hadnt used the Wood outta the tall rough on 15th(?) that shot went 2feet. 18th prolly never woulda happened!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Gander,if Phil had been hitting fairways all day,then I would agree that he choked.To me,the tee shot on 18 was not that different than many of the ****ty drives he had on Sunday.I really felt like the rest of them were choking by not taking advantage of the fact he was struggling off the tee.He failed to win something that I really don't think he was playing well enough to expect to win.Driving the ball that way on a U.S. Open Course shoulding result in winning it,and I think it is good for the game that he didn't win it while hitting it sideways the whole last round.

[Gander]

I dont agree. That tee shot on 18 missed by 60-70 yards, maybe more. It was a complete yank. Check out his face when he hit it. I have played enough golf to know what a pull looks like and feels like, that was a huge "push".

He missed a lot of other fairways, true, but some of his tee shots didnt miss the fairways by all that much. Some got unlucky bounces and landed in the first cut of rough. That shot on 18 was not the same, that was a complete "push" in every sense of the word.

[Gander]

Sorry, to Kevin's point "pushed" is the correct term. Phil is a lefty.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The drive on 18 may have been worse than the others,but a severe choke would be if he had been hitting it straight off the tee,and then came to 18,and hit it awful off the tee.I guess what I am telling you is that( to me)you have to be doing something well(to begin with)in order to choke.A real choke is like what the Mavs did.They won three straight series with great shooting ,and good defense.They won the 1st 2 games of the Championship by doing the same.Then they have a nice lead in the 2nd half of game three,and find a way to blow it.They choked all the way from there on in.They had a good lead last nite in the 1st half,but they did what(may I ask?)...shoot bricks long enough to get caught.That is a choke(going from very good shooting ,to bad shooting.)