Appropriate punishment for animal cruelty

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I usually agree, but hunting for the sake of hunting is, to me, one of the most despicable "activities" -- if you can call it that -- one can possibly participate in.

It's not as if it's just some alternate interest I don't understand. I don't understand plenty of stuff.. Opera, theater, painting, etc. But I'm not disgusted by any of it.

Hunters are disgusting and morally corrupt.

well, i was going to get ticked off...but you said hunting for the sake of hunting, and i don't do that...

you can't buy venison in the store.

what i don't understand is:

if i go to the store, and buy meat someone else killed and eat it-that's ok.
but if i kill it, and then eat it, i'm disgusting and morally corrupt? i guess since someone else did the dirty work?

as for your comparison to opera, theatre etc...i was thinking more along the line of activities that some enjoy, while others don't and make moral judgements about. horse racing and gambling for instance. i can't recall anyone saying oh opera, i hate it--those singers are corrupt. but i have heard those arguments, and similar, regarding racing. oh those poor animals, how cruel. or the line a boy said to my daughter the other day when she mentioned barbaro had died. OH. horse racing. we're GOOD CHRISTIANS, we don't believe in gambling. so, he just pretty much summed her up as being a bad person, because she felt bad about barbaro.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well, i was going to get ticked off...but you said hunting for the sake of hunting, and i don't do that...

you can't buy venison in the store.

what i don't understand is:

if i go to the store, and buy meat someone else killed and eat it-that's ok.
but if i kill it, and then eat it, i'm disgusting and morally corrupt? i guess since someone else did the dirty work?

as for your comparison to opera, theatre etc...i was thinking more along the line of activities that some enjoy, while others don't and make moral judgements about. horse racing and gambling for instance. i can't recall anyone saying oh opera, i hate it--those singers are corrupt. but i have heard those arguments, and similar, regarding racing. oh those poor animals, how cruel. or the line a boy said to my daughter the other day when she mentioned barbaro had died. OH. horse racing. we're GOOD CHRISTIANS, we don't believe in gambling. so, he just pretty much summed her up as being a bad person, because she felt bad about barbaro.

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.

Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.



Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.

Ateam,
I'm ok with what you said about "hunting for food".
It might seem strange to some, but I save feathers from the birds I bring home and use them to tie trout flies. I also use deer hair in some of my bass and salt water patterns.
And, shocking as it may seem, I get on my knees and give thanks over every critter that I take home to eat, before I take it out of the woods or fields.
I also say "grace" before I eat it.
I grew up in a family that hunted and fished, and I've done both all my life.
Those folks that don't have a background in either hunting or fishing see something that, to me, it isn't.
What it is, is real. And it connects me to something that many don't get the opportunity to connect with.
Also, not all hunters or fishermen think as I do, like the kids "hunting" horses in a strip mine.
I don't think that their actions should give the rest of us a "bad name".
DTS

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

What it is, is real. And it connects me to something that many don't get the opportunity to connect with.

What's that? The beauty of nature before you blow it away with a shotgun?

[Danzig]

guys really....you trying to talk about what it must like to hunt would be like me trying to say what it's like to be a man.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.