What if the Jockey Club allowed AI?

[sumitas]

It would make it more affordable for breeders to mate to their preferred stallion. If you are in NY and there is a stallion in La...now you don't mate because of the travel...With AI you could.

[cmorioles]

I wouldn't say never. It is obviously already done with s-breds. If the Arabs start to demand a higher number of horses from a certain stallion...

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I wouldn't say never. It is obviously already done with s-breds. If the Arabs start to demand a higher number of horses from a certain stallion...

perhaps I should have said never sanctioned and endorsed...as the state breds that do it shouldn't be eligible for registration...

[slotdirt]

Quarterhorses are also able to be bred by artificial means.

[CapperZeke]

I had no idea Allen Iverson even liked horses.

[Cajungator26]

It would have been very tough (if not nearly impossible) for them to obtain semen from Barbaro. It requires this...



I worked on a Trahehner farm one summer, breeding stallions to one of those things, and let me tell you, it's just as tough on a stallion's hind legs. They get really into it. LOL

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It would have been very tough (if not nearly impossible) for them to obtain semen from Barbaro. It requires this...


I worked on a Trahehner farm one summer, breeding stallions to one of those things, and let me tell you, it's just as tough on a stallion's hind legs. They get really into it. LOL

it's not impossible to collect them from the ground though...we used to collect an older morgan without him mounting the phantom...he just came into the shed took a sniff of the mare and voila.

but he is obviously the exception to the rule...in fact he is still fertile and breeding a few mares a year at 32

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

it's not impossible to collect them from the ground though...we used to collect an older morgan without him mounting the phantom...he just came into the shed took a sniff of the mare and voila.

but he is obviously the exception to the rule...in fact he is still fertile and breeding a few mares a year at 32

Yeah, I know they could have (forgive me for the lack of better words) jacked him off, but it would have been tough in his case, because he'd never bred a mare to begin with. We had to train most of the younger stallions to learn how to mount the phantom. Once they got the hang of it, it was "love" at first sight. HAHA

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It would have been very tough (if not nearly impossible) for them to obtain semen from Barbaro. It requires this...



I worked on a Trahehner farm one summer, breeding stallions to one of those things, and let me tell you, it's just as tough on a stallion's hind legs. They get really into it. LOL

Thanks, this is great ammo if my son ever wants to become a male gymnast.....

In all seriousness, Mike Rowe did a piece on this on Dirty Jobs...dude cracks me up.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It would have been very tough (if not nearly impossible) for them to obtain semen from Barbaro. It requires this...



I worked on a Trahehner farm one summer, breeding stallions to one of those things, and let me tell you, it's just as tough on a stallion's hind legs. They get really into it. LOL

Stallions can actually be trained to allow manual collection while they are standing, it's done with older, arthritic stallions all the time. They don't have to mount.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Stallions can actually be trained to allow manual collection while they are standing, it's done with older, arthritic stallions all the time. They don't have to mount.

Tough to train a horse that was in Barbaro's situation... wouldn't you agree?

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by sumitas

It would make it more affordable for breeders to mate to their preferred stallion. If you are in NY and there is a stallion in La...now you don't mate because of the travel...With AI you could.

I agree with this 100%. I have been using A.I. with my Arabians for years, and not everyone is flooding the airports for just the most popular stallions, of anything this allows a lot of different stallions to be utilized including overseas. How nice would it be to have had a lot of Saddlers Wells, Montjeu's etc... instead of a Storm Cat in every stall. The safety of stallion, mare and foal is also a HUGE advantage. I would never send my newborn foals on a van out od state to a strange farm, no way. I now have the luxury of my mare and her foal staying in the safety and comfort of their own home. The stallions don't have to be bred 3 times a day, one collection can service up to 10 mares. I have never understood the huge resistance from the Thoroughbred Breeders, unless they make a killing on mare care, especially with foals at their side. They always bring up how it ruined the Harness Horse Industry because they used the same stallion, when in reality, there isn't much to choose from to begin with. It's a no-brainer to me. I have enjoyed the luxury of breeding by choice, not location.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I agree with this 100%. I have been using A.I. with my Arabians for years, and not everyone is flooding the airports for just the most popular stallions, of anything this allows a lot of different stallions to be utilized including overseas. How nice would it be to have had a lot of Saddlers Wells, Montjeu's etc... instead of a Storm Cat in every stall. The safety of stallion, mare and foal is also a HUGE advantage. I would never send my newborn foals on a van out od state to a strange farm, no way. I now have the luxury of my mare and her foal staying in the safety and comfort of their own home. The stallions don't have to be bred 3 times a day, one collection can service up to 10 mares. I have never understood the huge resistance from the Thoroughbred Breeders, unless they make a killing on mare care, especially with foals at their side. They always bring up how it ruined the Harness Horse Industry because they used the same stallion, when in reality, there isn't much to choose from to begin with. It's a no-brainer to me. I have enjoyed the luxury of breeding by choice, not location.

Great observation. And many would desire a sturdy stallion from Germany as well. As an aside, that's one of the great attributes of Raffie's Majesty. His broodmare sire is the great German Surumu and with the right mare he's a helluva mating as you can see by his progeny.

[Cannon Shell]

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

Quarter horses stem from thoroughbreds... LOL

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Quarter horses stem from thoroughbreds... LOL

As well as other breeds which is not a pure breed. I'm not putting them down, I have 2 great QH ponies, but you cant compare QH breeding and TB breeding.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

It isn't about the money, you'd still be paying for the advertised stud fee, and in actuality it isn't cheap to have your mare impregnated at home by the Vet. It requires stringent record keeping and Vet visits. The advantage is simply the health and welfare of the mare and foal is the first priority, and you can choose a stallion from another Country if you desire. If I could afford the stud fee by A.I., I could afford it by shipping. I simply don't want my newborn foals stressed out at that young age with a van ride and stabling in a new atmosphere. It's just ripe for sickness.

I also don't agree with your assessment of Quarter Horses, while I don't own any, the fact is they are a pure breed, same as a Thoroughbred. They both needed my Arabians blood to be created.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

It isn't about the money, you'd still be paying for the advertised stud fee, and in actuality it isn't cheap to have your mare impregnated at home by the Vet. It requires stringent record keeping and Vet visits. The advantage is simply the health and welfare of the mare and foal is the first priority, and you can choose a stallion from another Country if you desire. If I could afford the stud fee by A.I., I could afford it by shipping. I simply don't want my newborn foals stressed out at that young age with a van ride and stabling in a new atmosphere. It's just ripe for sickness.

I also don't agree with your assessment of Quarter Horses, while I don't own any, the fact is they are a pure breed, same as a Thoroughbred. They both needed my Arabians blood to be created.

The stud fees would drop like a rock! And don't fool yourself the breeding game is all about the money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I also don't agree with your assessment of Quarter Horses, while I don't own any, the fact is they are a pure breed, same as a Thoroughbred. They both needed my Arabians blood to be created.

Quarter horses can be as much as 15/16ths Thoroughbred and still be considered QH's. Not pure anymore.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Quarter horses can be as much as 15/16ths Thoroughbred and still be considered QH's. Not pure anymore.

Yes, but I believe at that point, they're called Appendix QH's. I used to own one... best horse I've ever been around (although he had small hooves, UGH.)