Street Sense moves to the top of the Dispatch Derby Poll

Does the derby winner get a Racing Dispatch shirt?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Of the top 10, I believe Stormello (he doesn't have a prayer) is way too high at #6. Any Given Saturday is way too low at #9.

[blackthroatedwind]

I did not vote Stormello in my top 20 if that makes you feel better.

There are maiden claimers at Gulfstream with a better chance.

[ArlJim78]

Stormello in the top ten!! That is funny.

[Cajungator26]

At the risk of sounding ignorant...

Why do you guys dislike Stormello's chances so much? I'm assuming that one reason he was voted so highly is because his dam is a Carson City mare like Barbaro's.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Carson City is actually one of the last names you'd want to see in the up-close pedigree of a Derby Prospect....in my opinion.

Barbaro was by Dynaformer (Stamina) and from a female family laced with stamina.

IMO, Stormello is not as talented as Brother Derek was at this point last year, and much like BD, he looks like an early developing type, who's already polished, and doesn't have much room for future improvement.

I believe he's rated that high because he won the Norfolk and Hollywood Futurity--the top two West Coast races for 2yo's around two turns. The same two races Brother Derek won last year.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Carson City is actually one of the last names you'd want to see in the up-close pedigree of a Derby Prospect....in my opinion.

Barbaro was by Dynaformer (Stamina) and from a female family laced with stamina.

IMO, Stormello is not as talented as Brother Derek was at this point last year, and much like BD, he looks like an early developing type, who's already polished, and doesn't have much room for future improvement.

I believe he's rated that high because he won the Norfolk and Hollywood Futurity--the top two West Coast races for 2yo's around two turns. The same two races Brother Derek won last year.

Thanks for your thoughts. Precisely why I asked.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Carson City is actually one of the last names you'd want to see in the up-close pedigree of a Derby Prospect....in my opinion.

Barbaro was by Dynaformer (Stamina) and from a female family laced with stamina.

IMO, Stormello is not as talented as Brother Derek was at this point last year, and much like BD, he looks like an early developing type, who's already polished, and doesn't have much room for future improvement.

I believe he's rated that high because he won the Norfolk and Hollywood Futurity--the top two West Coast races for 2yo's around two turns. The same two races Brother Derek won last year.

Barbaro's dam was an atypical Carson City, in that she was stakes-placed at up to 11f on turf; she took after her mom's family rather than Carson City. Stormello comes from a family developed at Old English Rancho in So Cal that is full of 2yo SWs and sprinter/miler types. Even the cross of Lyphard (sire of second dam) hasn't enabled members of this line to stretch out longer.

I agree that Brother Derek was an early maturing type, who will not be as effective as his fellow gen 2003s catch up in maturity. There is nothing wrong with the horse at 4, he has just lost the advantage he had as a 2yo and early 3yo last year. Given his female line, Stormello may prove to be a similar type.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I did not vote Stormello in my top 20 if that makes you feel better.

There are maiden claimers at Gulfstream with a better chance.

Me either. Also no Dreaming of Anna.

[slotdirt]

Must have been thinking of the Futurity as his first 100 plus figure. Thanks.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Me either. Also no Dreaming of Anna.

I never even considered her. She rates to have very close to zero dirt wins the rest of her career....how the hell can she win the Derby?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I never even considered her. She rates to have very close to zero dirt wins the rest of her career....how the hell can she win the Derby?

Maybe close to zero on a scale of zero to 100. I think she has no shot in the Derby but she shouldn't have problems picking up a few more dirt wins against this pathetic crop of 3yo fillies.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Maybe close to zero on a scale of zero to 100. I think she has no shot in the Derby but she shouldn't have problems picking up a few more dirt wins against this pathetic crop of 3yo fillies.

I think close to zero on a scale of zero to three. After a couple dirt humiliations she will either be returned to the turf or retired.

Frankly, if she wins on the dirt it will most likely be an empty race or a wet track off-the-turfer.