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Originally Posted by Secretariat

i would expect that a certain amount of friendly name calling ang jabbing would be allowed.

but at what point does absolute disrespect and name calling go over the line.

is activly seeking to ruin another reputation
still considered correct behavior here.

disrespect at the personal level should be addressed and we should have some rules.

if not we are all just back to the same spot we started.

Look paul, I've said this before and i will say it again. I'm quiet sure that in your area of expertise(accounting) that you are quite knowlegable. I wouldn't question you on specifics of your job. If i had questions in that field and asked you one, I would take what you said at face value.
Now horses are different. WHo anyone thinks was best in a race, who anyone thinks will win a race, who anyone thinks was a better horse are all matters of debate that can't be proven. But certain things are factual and when you call those of us here who know about the game wrong on these factual issues then you make yoursel look like a raving idiot. So you make better figures than Brown and ragozin? Gee, thats great Paul. You shoudl quit the accounting gig and publish them. As far as raw times go, we have all patiently explained to you that raw times mean NOTHING!! Different surfaces, etc. you can't compare raw times on different days at diiferent tracks or even raw times at the same track on different days.
Until you learn to actually listen to what those who know as much about the game as you do about accounting, its hopeless.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

call me a a$ $hole if ya wish, lol im sure some of yas do while reading my posts

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

call me a a$ $hole if ya wish, lol im sure some of yas do while reading my posts

LOL John.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LOL John.

lol see see i knew some did to be looooooved to be loooooooooooved

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

paul did you ever read any of dave feldmans(rip) colums in the sun times here when he was still alive. one of his famous lines was"difference of opinion makes a horserace" when you have people stating all different sorts of opinions obviously there are gonna be clashes and sometimes personal things said but most of the time i doubt any1 means them

Originally Posted by oracle80

Look paul, I've said this before and i will say it again. I'm quiet sure that in your area of expertise(accounting) that you are quite knowlegable. I wouldn't question you on specifics of your job. If i had questions in that field and asked you one, I would take what you said at face value.
Now horses are different. WHo anyone thinks was best in a race, who anyone thinks will win a race, who anyone thinks was a better horse are all matters of debate that can't be proven. But certain things are factual and when you call those of us here who know about the game wrong on these factual issues then you make yoursel look like a raving idiot. So you make better figures than Brown and ragozin? Gee, thats great Paul. You shoudl quit the accounting gig and publish them. As far as raw times go, we have all patiently explained to you that raw times mean NOTHING!! Different surfaces, etc. you can't compare raw times on different days at diiferent tracks or even raw times at the same track on different days.
Until you learn to actually listen to what those who know as much about the game as you do about accounting, its hopeless.

you seem to think you have a degree in gambling.

he last time i looked your opinions are of no more value than anyone elses. what makes you tthink your opinions on any topic in this game are of any more value than anyone elses ?

what the hell are you raving on about times for ??
raw times have there place in handicapping,
there are websites devoted to just that.
if you feel in your handicapping methods they are worthless, than so be it, for you.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

you seem to think you have a degree in gambling.

he last time i looked your opinions are of no more value than anyone elses. what makes you tthink your opinions on any topic in this game are of any more value than anyone elses ?

what the hell are you raving on about times for ??
raw times have there place in handicapping,
there are websites devoted to just that.
if you feel in your handicapping methods they are worthless, than so be it, for you.

I have to disagree with you. Horseracing in many ways is like other professions. There are experts on the subject and their opinions are more valuable than people who are not experts. Some of us are paid for our knowledge and expertise about horses just like you are paid for your knowledge and expertise on accounting.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Best "NICHE" buys are Jersey breds. They have huge purses and a very limited supply of horses to recieve them.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

Best "NICHE" buys are Jersey breds. They have huge purses and a very limited supply of horses to recieve them.

Agreed!!!!! The purses are crazy good and they only foal like 300 NJ breds a year!!!! Its like free money!!!!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Agreed!!!!! The purses are crazy good and they only foal like 300 NJ breds a year!!!! Its like free money!!!!

Private Interview doesn't look like a bad choice. He's a half to Doneraile Court. LOL

[2MinsToPost]

Maybe I should start drinking again so as to "stir the pot"

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I have to disagree with you. Horseracing in many ways is like other professions. There are experts on the subject and their opinions are more valuable than people who are not experts. Some of us are paid for our knowledge and expertise about horses just like you are paid for your knowledge and expertise on accounting.

I disagree. Just because someone finds another person to pay them for giving an opinion does not make them an expert on a damn thing. The horse business is rife with old monied people who find their way into the business on the shoestrings of their family wealth. The younger ones show up on message boards and in-house racetrack tv programs and just babble on and on about their "paid expertise" in a manner reflecting their attitude of righteous self-entitilement. Their actual earnings from their sponsored nepotism "employment" pale in comparison to the interest income on their trust funds. If this weren't true, they'd dress a hell of a lot better. The older children of the blue-blood at least have the good sense to blend seemlessly into the background at the clubhouse bar.

If given the choice and need for an "Expert" opinion on most anything, especially related to horse racing, I'd go with the more experience person who earned their stripes and got their scars going through the ranks. The last person I'd listen to is a younger child of privilege who never has and likely never will experience the consequences of being wrong.

[2MinsToPost]

Well said Bruce (thats your name is it not?)

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I disagree. Just because someone finds another person to pay them for giving an opinion does not make them an expert on a damn thing. The horse business is rife with old monied people who find their way into the business on the shoestrings of their family wealth. The younger ones show up on message boards and in-house racetrack tv programs and just babble on and on about their "paid expertise" in a manner reflecting their attitude of righteous self-entitilement. Their actual earnings from their sponsored nepotism "employment" pale in comparison to the interest income on their trust funds. If this weren't true, they'd dress a hell of a lot better. The older children of the blue-blood at least have the good sense to blend seemlessly into the background at the clubhouse bar.

If given the choice and need for an "Expert" opinion on most anything, especially related to horse racing, I'd go with the more experience person who earned their stripes and got their scars going through the ranks. The last person I'd listen to is a younger child of privilege who never has and likely never will experience the consequences of being wrong.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I disagree. Just because someone finds another person to pay them for giving an opinion does not make them an expert on a damn thing. The horse business is rife with old monied people who find their way into the business on the shoestrings of their family wealth. The younger ones show up on message boards and in-house racetrack tv programs and just babble on and on about their "paid expertise" in a manner reflecting their attitude of righteous self-entitilement. Their actual earnings from their sponsored nepotism "employment" pale in comparison to the interest income on their trust funds. If this weren't true, they'd dress a hell of a lot better. The older children of the blue-blood at least have the good sense to blend seemlessly into the background at the clubhouse bar.

If given the choice and need for an "Expert" opinion on most anything, especially related to horse racing, I'd go with the more experience person who earned their stripes and got their scars going through the ranks. The last person I'd listen to is a younger child of privilege who never has and likely never will experience the consequences of being wrong.

I've got more scars than a burn victim. Noone ever handed me a damn thing. I slept in a big closet at some friends house one semester at college because I couldnt afford to rent a place and pay tuition.

[Seattleallstar]

i know ive paid my dues

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

i know ive paid my dues

LOL!!! YOu have to pay dues and LEARN SOMETHING!!!! You havent done the latter yet.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I've got more scars than a burn victim. Noone ever handed me a damn thing. I slept in a big closet at some friends house one semester at college because I couldnt afford to rent a place and pay tuition.

LOL. I hear you and I didn't mean to over-generalize. At times in college, I was broke like a joke. Slept in a basement next to the furnace for a couple months. I also remember having two 5-gallon cans in the trunk of the car I used to buy enough oil for the furnace to heat our house for another day and night when things were bad. Ate so much mac n cheese that I can't stand to look at the stuff. Wouldn't trade any of it.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

LOL. I hear you and I didn't mean to over-generalize. At times in college, I was broke like a joke. Slept in a basement next to the furnace for a couple months. I also remember having two 5-gallon cans in the trunk of the car I used to buy enough oil for the furnace to heat our house for another day and night when things were bad. Ate so much mac n cheese that I can't stand to look at the stuff. Wouldn't trade any of it.

Stud I have a college classic story. Its my third year and I'm driving a VW(the small ones, not the bug, I forget what they are called). Car cuts out one day. So my friend looks at it and says the wire that carries electricity to the fuel pump is cut. I ask him how much it would cost and he says well you gotta replace this and that, etc. So he shows me how if you touch the broken ends together that the pump goes on. So I go home to the gf and ask her if shes got any tape and scissors. She gets if for me and asks me where I am going, I say "to fix the car". So I take the tape and tape togther the wire underneath the car so it makes a connection. LOL!!! Only problem came when it rained or snowed once in a while the tape would get wet and fall off. SO I kept the tape and scissors in the glove compartment and would just hop out and tape it back up! LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I disagree. Just because someone finds another person to pay them for giving an opinion does not make them an expert on a damn thing. The horse business is rife with old monied people who find their way into the business on the shoestrings of their family wealth. The younger ones show up on message boards and in-house racetrack tv programs and just babble on and on about their "paid expertise" in a manner reflecting their attitude of righteous self-entitilement. Their actual earnings from their sponsored nepotism "employment" pale in comparison to the interest income on their trust funds. If this weren't true, they'd dress a hell of a lot better. The older children of the blue-blood at least have the good sense to blend seemlessly into the background at the clubhouse bar.

If given the choice and need for an "Expert" opinion on most anything, especially related to horse racing, I'd go with the more experience person who earned their stripes and got their scars going through the ranks. The last person I'd listen to is a younger child of privilege who never has and likely never will experience the consequences of being wrong.

Some of what you're saying is true. There are some paid experts out there that aren't very sharp. This is true in all fields. There are doctors out there that are terrible doctors. There are lawyers out there that are totally incompetent. There are people out there with no degees in law that could go into a courtroom tomorrow and do a better job than some licensed attorneys.
I'm well aware that there are incompetent people in all fields. There are plenty of licensed trainers out there that don't have a clue. I am well aware of that.
However, I was referring to people that truly are experts in their fields, people with proven track records that really know their business. There are such people out there in all fields including horseracing. I could give you a ton of examples. Let's take Nial Brennan for example. He is one of the most successful pinhookers in the country. He and Mike Ryan are incredibly good at picking out yearlings. I don't think there is anyone that would dispute that these guys are experts at picking out yearlings. These guys make millions of dollars pinhooking. It is truly amazing when you go to 2 year old sales how Brennan's horses stand out. I don't even look to see who the consignor is on any of the horses until I have watched all the workouts and made my list. At the Fasig Tipton Calder sale, there were a little over 300 horses in the sale. I had a list of about 20 horses that I really liked. Out of those 20 horses, I believe that 10 were Nial Brennan horses. I can say the same thing at the Keeneland 2 year old sale. Of all the horses on my list, I think that about 45% of them were Brennan horses. He has the best horses at the 2 year old sales because he and Mike Ryan pick the best yearlings. They are experts at it. Practically every yearling they pick can run. When it comes to assessing the ability of yearlings is the opinion of Mike Ryan and Nial Brennan more valuable than the opinion of your average guy? Of course, absolutely.