hillary or osama er bama....

[Danzig]

some of the same guys are running who were LOSERS in the past.

mccain
biden
gore


oh boy and newt gingrich might run. spare me.
then there's huckabee, former gov of arkansas. can't stand him, so glad we have term limits here!
mitt romney, but some are already referring to his continually evolving stance on gay marriage.
then there's guliani--claims he's a conservative, but two of the hottest issues in the republican party are one's which he doesn't fall in with the party line--he supports abortion rights and gun control.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

some of the same guys are running who were LOSERS in the past.

mccain
biden
gore


oh boy and newt gingrich might run. spare me.
then there's huckabee, former gov of arkansas. can't stand him, so glad we have term limits here!
mitt romney, but some are already referring to his continually evolving stance on gay marriage.
then there's guliani--claims he's a conservative, but two of the hottest issues in the republican party are one's which he doesn't fall in with the party line--he supports abortion rights and gun control.

ha! but newt is not going to "run," he is going to lay out a plan for america and if america "demands" that he is the only one to enact it and they insist on making him president, then he will take the job. he explains it in such a weird way.

giuliani would be not so bad for a republican in office -- the type i may actually vote for because the only thing i dont like about them are the social issues. if real conservatism (in the fiscal sense) would come back, nothing would make me happier.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

ha! but newt is not going to "run," he is going to lay out a plan for america and if america "demands" that he is the only one to enact it and they insist on making him president, then he will take the job. he explains it in such a weird way.

giuliani would be not so bad for a republican in office -- the type i may actually vote for because the only thing i dont like about them are the social issues. if real conservatism (in the fiscal sense) would come back, nothing would make me happier.

Brian, I beg you, please don't drink the Giuliani Kool-Aid!

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/revi...tm/index1.html

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Brian, I beg you, please don't drink the Giuliani Kool-Aid!

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/revi...tm/index1.html

i don't love him. Obviously there are lots of Democratic candidates that I would vote for -- but assuming the possibility that the Dems may somehow nominate some unelectable tool (ie Kerry), then the options open up. Romney is an idiot, so he won't go anywhere, because even he can't decide what he's talking about.

Think about it though -- I've been thinking alot about what will happen if another Republican wins the Presidency next year.....

I'd be pulling like hell for McCain (even with his stupid war rhetoric) and Guiliani before I'd take a Romney or a Gingrich.

It's more a matter of thinking ahead of time about how it COULD be if certain people got elected.

Thinking about how, if Giuliani or McCain were to win, then life would be tolerable. If Gingrich (no chance) or Romney were to win, I'd be looking into the JET program again so that I could try to teach in Japan for a year to not have to live here during another insane presiden't reign.

[somerfrost]

I guess I'm in the minority here cause I like both Clinton and Obama...I think that would be a great ticket in fact! As I've said before, I'd love to see Hillary Vs Condy.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I guess I'm in the minority here cause I like both Clinton and Obama...I think that would be a great ticket in fact! As I've said before, I'd love to see Hillary Vs Condy.

What on earth do you like about Hillary? I have no opinion on Obama. I mean the man speaks well but what on earth has he ever done?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What on earth do you like about Hillary? I have no opinion on Obama. I mean the man speaks well but what on earth has he ever done?

I look at the person more than their politics...I like Hillary, she stood by her husband through ungodly times and isn't afraid to speak her mind! I don't hate Bill by a long shot...what he did with his cigars was never any of my business, the only thing that pissed me off about him was how for a very smart guy, he behaved so stupidly in his personal life. As President, he did a better job than most...a bit too conservative for me, but i think Hillary will move more to the left. I just like her as a person...I think a strong woman in the White House would move us forward!

Hillary Clinton, like her giant ankles or not, is extraordinarily bright. Hillary Clinton has proven the ability to get things done. She has made some very sweet deals for the business community in New York and is very much respected by that community. This lady is clearly a mover. She has shown the ability to get an extraordinary amount of things done, unlike those that choose only to disrupt.

Hillary Clinton spent 8 years in the Oval office already. She has extensive experience.

Now having said, that I dont like all her policies. But at least she has policies that I can read about, unlike many of the other candidates.

She is a force no doubt... That I most likely will not vote for unless I see some changes and explainations. But at least she aint hiding.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I guess I'm in the minority here cause I like both Clinton and Obama...I think that would be a great ticket in fact! As I've said before, I'd love to see Hillary Vs Condy.

obama--couple years in the senate. what else? what background does he have that would convince me to vote for him?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

i don't love him. Obviously there are lots of Democratic candidates that I would vote for -- but assuming the possibility that the Dems may somehow nominate some unelectable tool (ie Kerry), then the options open up. Romney is an idiot, so he won't go anywhere, because even he can't decide what he's talking about.

Think about it though -- I've been thinking alot about what will happen if another Republican wins the Presidency next year.....

I'd be pulling like hell for McCain (even with his stupid war rhetoric) and Guiliani before I'd take a Romney or a Gingrich.

It's more a matter of thinking ahead of time about how it COULD be if certain people got elected.

Thinking about how, if Giuliani or McCain were to win, then life would be tolerable. If Gingrich (no chance) or Romney were to win, I'd be looking into the JET program again so that I could try to teach in Japan for a year to not have to live here during another insane presiden't reign.

Omigawd, not you on the McCain I'llsaywhateverwillgetmeelectedExpress, too!

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blument.../01/18/mccain/

Not that I didn't once like the man- I was as duped by the press as everyone else. But actually look at his voting record, and pay attention to where and to whom he's been speaking, and one's opinion does a 180. Maverick, schmaverick.

My thoughts on Hilary-- I think she's incredibly smart, and works her tail off for New York-- for a carpetbagger, she knows more about this state than many natives. She's really hawkish on defense, and back in 1992 she was pushing for an overhaul to our bloated health care system-- years before the rest of the country caught up. All to the good. BUT- I think the nation is tired of "Bush" and "Clinton" and even if she was the ideal candidate it wouldn't matter because America wants something different from the past 18 years. I don't think she can win.

I like Edwards, and quite frankly, if Gore would run and show some of the side of him that comes out when he's not campaigning, I think he'd win, because I think the environment and energy are going to be a major, major issues in the near future for most Americans. The situation in Nigeria isn't getting any better, and there goes our 5th largest supplier of oil. And our biggest one requires us to suck up to the same people who are funding mosques teaching that America is the big bad. I think if Gore would throw his hat in, and campaign on energy independence and renewable energies, he'd have a strong shot.

Well, and he'd have to go on a diet. There's a real streak of fattism in this country, for all that many of us are overweight.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Omigawd, not you on the McCain I'llsaywhateverwillgetmeelectedExpress, too!

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blument.../01/18/mccain/

Not that I didn't once like the man- I was as duped by the press as everyone else. But actually look at his voting record, and pay attention to where and to whom he's been speaking, and one's opinion does a 180. Maverick, schmaverick.

My thoughts on Hilary-- I think she's incredibly smart, and works her tail off for New York-- for a carpetbagger, she knows more about this state than many natives. She's really hawkish on defense, and back in 1992 she was pushing for an overhaul to our bloated health care system-- years before the rest of the country caught up. All to the good. BUT- I think the nation is tired of "Bush" and "Clinton" and even if she was the ideal candidate it wouldn't matter because America wants something different from the past 18 years. I don't think she can win.

I like Edwards, and quite frankly, if Gore would run and show some of the side of him that comes out when he's not campaigning, I think he'd win, because I think the environment and energy are going to be a major, major issues in the near future for most Americans. The situation in Nigeria isn't getting any better, and there goes our 5th largest supplier of oil. And our biggest one requires us to suck up to the same people who are funding mosques teaching that America is the big bad. I think if Gore would throw his hat in, and campaign on energy independence and renewable energies, he'd have a strong shot.

Well, and he'd have to go on a diet. There's a real streak of fattism in this country, for all that many of us are overweight.

oh no. not edwards. he seems so fake!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

oh no. not edwards. he seems so fake!

He does look like a Breck Boy, I'll give you that. But he ran last time on the "Two Americas" platform and I like that, because I do think the economic divide in this country is growing. And, though I like to think I can ignore where someone comes from and focus on what they do, I like that he grew up poor because I think once you've been poor, you don't forget it. I live surrounded by poor people, and while yes, some are just lazy, most of them are working poor, struggling to keep their heads above water and their kids out of trouble. And our current direction is making their lives harder, not easier.

Though I look forward to the deli that is clearly not a deli near us going out of business, if it ever does... that particular form of employment I'd just as soon not have around us...